Talk:Storkyrkan

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Review: June 7, 2020. (Reviewed version).

A fact from Storkyrkan appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 28 June 2020 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Storkyrkan, Stockholm's oldest church, was the first church in Sweden where Mass was celebrated in Swedish?

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I'm not terribly satisfied about the pictures I took. The copyrighted picture that used to be at sv:Storkyrkan is a lot better since it seems to have been taken from a boat (or the opposite shore even). I think we should include one of the bell tower, since it's hard to discern from that low angle. Anyone who can get both the back facade and the bell tower in the same pic should try for it.

Peter ^Isotalo 22:49, 13 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I believe - though my Swedish is far from perfect! - that the sv. article specifically calls this a cathedral. While that is implicit from the en. categorisation, it's not actually mentioned specifically here - should someone who is more certain put it in? --TheGrappler 02:02, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It is mentioned: "...it has also been the cathedral of Stockholm since the Diocese of Stockholm was broken out from the Archdiocese of Uppsala in 1942." Uppland 10:19, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's formally a cathedral. However, it's almost never referred to as such (using the Swedish words for cathedral, "domkyrka" or "katedral"). This is probably because it's a recent thing, and the fact that the church didn't have cathedral status (as in seat of a diocese) when it was built. --BluePlatypus 05:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Exterior - changed?

It is claimed to be an example of brick Gothic, but the exterior is clearly not Medieval. Why is there no mention of the change, which must have taken place at some point? The interior seems Gothic, but the exterior clearly seems modified into some kind of Baroque or some such.109.59.57.252 (talk) 01:08, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: I'll have a go at this one. Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 09:41, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

This article is in very good shape and I'll only have a few simple comments and suggestions to make.

"also referred to as" -- "also called".

Fixed.

" originally the main church of the city." -- but it's still the cathedral, the seat of the bishop, so how isn't it still the main church? Perhaps all that needs to be said is already explained later in the lead section?

Good point, I removed it.

"it was dedicated to Saint Nicholas" -- so now it has no dedication?

Nope, the Church of Sweden doesn't "use" saints.

"the appearance of the exterior" -- just "the exterior" would do fine.

Ficed.

"was done partially because" -- "was partly because".

Fixed.

"was demolished already" -- "had already been demolished".

Fixed.

"a rood" -- "rood cross" might be clearer.

Fixed

"halo" is a disambiguation page. However it seems that the link should be sun dog instead?

For sure. Fixed.

Wikilink Swedish History Museum.

Fixed.

That's about all from me. Mycket bra! Chiswick Chap (talk) 11:27, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tack så mycket! And thanks a lot for all the ce you helped out with here. I think the article gained a lot from it. Yakikaki (talk) 11:46, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Good work, happy to pass it now. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:48, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 11:39, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Storkyrkan, Stockholm

... that Storkyrkan (pictured) was the first church in Sweden where mass was celebrated in Swedish? Source: Pages 3-4 here (in Swedish)

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Central Asian riparian woodlands

Improved to Good Article status by Yakikaki (talk). Self-nominated at 20:39, 8 June 2020 (UTC).[reply]

Claiming this for review and will try to finish it by tomorrow, but the hook meets the interest requirement (readers may wonder why Swedish masses didn't always use Swedish). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:34, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Narutolovehinata5! I'm looking forward to the review. By the way, I'm more than open for ALT suggestions if you would prefer, I think there might be enough material in the article for one (or more). This church has been through a lot. Yakikaki (talk) 16:20, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As the article is quite long, I'll split the review into parts, but the currently proposed hook meets requirements (cited inline and interesting to a broad audience; as the source is offline I'll assume good faith on its contents). Apparently the church is considered the main church of Stockholm so it might be a good idea to mention that in the hook as well, or to propose more hooks that touched on this. I'll try to finish the remaining checks once these new hooks have been proposed. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 09:33, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! How about: ALT1: "... that Stockholm's oldest church Storkyrkan (pictured) was the first church in Sweden where mass was celebrated in Swedish? Or how about a completely different, ALT2: "... that celebrations of military victories, commemorations of national tragedies, royal weddings, parliamentary meetings and coronations have all taken place in Storkyrkan (pictured) in Stockholm?" Yakikaki (talk) 10:12, 10 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I'd rewrite ALT1 as something like "ALT1a: ... that Storkyrkan (pictured), Stockholm's oldest church, was the first church in Sweden where mass was celebrated in Swedish?" so that the church is mentioned first in the hook, but otherwise it works. ALT2 is fine too, assuming good faith for the offline or Swedish sources used for it (it uses hook facts that are scattered throughout the article). The article was promoted to GA in time and no close paraphrasing was found. QPQ has been done, and all other DYK requirements are met. Image is fine and is adequately licensed. ALT1/ALT1a and ALT2 are approved, with the ALT1a wording being my preferred choice. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:14, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I came by to promote this. The hook fact about it being the oldest church in Sweden needs an inline cite in the article. Yoninah (talk) 11:15, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks – there's an inline citation after "The consecration of a church is furthermore attested in 1306, making it the oldest church in Stockholm." in the "History of the building" section, almost the first sentence. Yakikaki (talk) 11:22, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I passed that right by because I saw "oldest church" mentioned earlier. Restoring tick per Narutolovehinata5's review. Yoninah (talk) 11:37, 22 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]