Talk:Strength athletics

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Proposed merge discussions[edit]

Consolidating related discussion threads in this section. See also Strongman § Merge from Strength athlete. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 08:25, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge from Strongman (strength athlete)[edit]

The Strongman (strength athlete) stub appears to add nothing but a list of notable strongmen to the history of strength competitions given here. Further, it's very strange to say that strength athletics are "more generally known as strongman competitions" but then link to something completely different for strongman competitions. I suggest merging that article into this one, and making "Strongman (strength athlete)" and "Strongman Competitions" redirect here. Rvcx (talk) 15:53, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It also looks like the Strongman (circus) only contains a paragraph of text, and the names of three notable circus strongmen. It would make a lot more sense to put that content here. Rvcx (talk) 16:34, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose No, the one article is about the athletes, the other about the history of the competitions/organizations. And just because the circus article is short, for now, doesn't mean it should be merged; it means it should be expanded, given the difference between modern strongman competitions and the nature of circus strongman shows.Skookum1 (talk) 02:06, 9 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The performance form is quite different to the competition form. Andy Dingley (talk) 19:57, 16 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Agree These articles are redundant and actually have circular links within them. The article should be on strength athletics with a section on notable strongmen in history to finalize the merge. StarHOG (Talk) 17:56, 5 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So I think we have had some confusion on this point between editors. Strongman is a huge article talking about the history of strongmen. Strength Athletics is a huge article talking about strength competitions. These articles are probably too massive to be merged. Strength athlete is a worthless article and I believe was the original target of the merge discussion. So I'm going to redirect Strength athlete to Strongman which seams appropriate. I think the article Strength athletics should be renamed to "Strongman (competitions)" and Strongman should be renamed "Strongman (history)" but I'm not doing name changes without consensus. StarHOG (Talk) 14:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
Not merged — no consensus. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 08:20, 8 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I propose merging the content of Strongman into Strength athletics. Both pages cover both the 19th century/circus use of the term "strongman", and the contemporary athletics usage. As neither page contains significant citations for the 19th century usage, it's not clear that any of this content is notable/verifiable enough to merit a separate page. Jonathan Deamer (talk) 08:35, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support merge idea. Joyous! | Talk 13:55, 7 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - There is some crossover, but there is sufficient difference for them to remain.Halbared (talk) 20:20, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - The strongman can be used in both athletic sports and the circus. @Halbared: is right about this claim. --Rtkat3 (talk) 15:47, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - In my opinion, Strength athletics should contain more elements from 19th century/circus strongman and Highland games and kept separated. A better title would be 'Traditional Strength athletics'. Strongman mainly contains info from 1977 onwards and is a better representation of modern day Strongman competitions. I think it would be better to transfer the Angus MacAskill and Great Gama pictures and early history details from Strongman to Strength athletics; and Major titles and title holders section of Strength athletics to Strongman.
Nir007H (talk) 06:39, 26 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Sorting the Strongman vs. Strength athletics debate[edit]

Hello @Rvcx @Skookum1 @Andy Dingley @StarHOG @Joyous! @Halbared @Rtkat3, since we guys are the ones who were interested on this, I believe it gives us the right to mutually agree on the final decision and sort it for good. Nir007H (talk) 04:40, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We have the powwaarrrhh!Halbared (talk) 07:55, 2 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I vote for a merge. In fact, looking at all the above suggestions, I vote we do them all. StarHOG (Talk) 13:13, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Correct usage[edit]

I've suggested that Olympic weightlifting be moved to weightlifting. Is this topic the "parent topic" of the sport? Or is the term only linked with strong men competitions? Basically I'm looking for the parent topic of Olympic weightlifting/Powerlifting/Weight training/Bodybuilding so that these related ideas can be better linked together.

The lead of this article suggests a significantly different scope from the main body of the article. Perhaps Strongman competition should be create to house the topic the lead deals with? Maybe Strength sports is a better title. Arm wrestling most likely has a historical link with the strongman idea, and perhaps even tug of war is relevant? Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics! 16:45, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say that strength athletics (aka strongman competitions) are a parallel to olympic weightlifting, powerlifting, and bodybuilding—all four are distinct sports. Competitors in all four are likely to incorporate weight training into their preparation, but that term is neither subsumed by nor subsumes any of the four competition types. Bodybuilding is an outlier since competition is based on appearance and not physical strength. For the other three, the umbrella is that a competitor in any of them is referred to as a strength athlete, as are competitors at certain positions in other sports. I'm not sure "Strength sports" is a term used widely enough to be considered notable. It's not our job to invent a new taxonomy for articles. Sometimes there are umbrella terms, sometimes there aren't. Rvcx (talk) 20:28, 26 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's a fair point. I don't know that much about such competitions, but it's interesting to see the relationships between them. You are probably right about "Strength sports" not being widely used enough. Still, I'll create a navigation template (Template:Strength Sports) as I still think it's worthwhile to link these related articles together at the bottom of each article. Maybe this will be a sufficient alternative to creating a useful, yet dubiously notable, article! Sillyfolkboy (talk) (edits)Join WikiProject Athletics! 11:33, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fingal Fingers[edit]

Article Fingal Fingers redirects here, but there is no reference to the discipline on this page. Can someone with better knowledge of the subject than I please add relevant info to this page? 198.228.226.186 (talk) 15:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Some clarification[edit]

From the incipit: Strength athletics, more generally known as strongman competitions [...].

Is "strength athletics" the same of "strongman competitions"?

--Horcrux92 (talk) 10:00, 2 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hercules Hold[edit]

Hercules Hold redirects here. Polish Wikipedia has individual article: pl:Uchwyt Herkulesa--Estopedist1 (talk) 10:02, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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