Talk:Strider Knives/Archive 1

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Hi Sam,

I put these lines back in. The Article about USMC Force Recon clearly points this out. The Article was written by a decorated Recon Marine and NYPD Officer, Pat Rogers. The Soldier of Fortune Article also clearly states this knife was made for Detachment One. More information will follow this in addition to another Entry on that knife, alone.

Two (2) Print Magazine Articles clearly detail the MARSOC Knife and it's being the first knife issued to a USMC Unit in over 60 years. That alone is newsworthy and not advertising. This is a part of cutlery history and USMC history.

This will be detailed in a forthcoming book and like I said, in a future Wiki article.

Mike Searson

This is a little better. Thanks for making an effort. Sam 17:10, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you. Mike Searson

Sam,

Why did you go ahead and delete it after I sourced it? --Mike Searson 03:00, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, speaking as an experienced and uninvolved editor, that link doesn't qualify as supporting the statment it's supposed to be citing. I've read the article, and it's one person's opinion of the knives. It does not claim that more than one unit uses or even favours the knives, let alone that military personnel in general favour them. The article doesn't even claim that anyone in the unit but the author uses the knives. An appropriate statement derived from that source would be "Pat Rogers, a Marine, favours Strider Knives", which is patently unencyclopedic.

As for the statement about "the War on Terror", the two links in that sentence don't mention the knives' use in War on Terror at all, and so are similarly inadequate to support the statements this article is making. — Saxifrage ✎ 15:36, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Saxifrage,

The part of the sentence I was referencing was "price (discounted to Military personnel)."

Which is referenced in the article here: "Strider Knives has a strong connection to the military community. If you are active duty enlisted, they will knock 20% off the cost of the knife."

The "War on Terror" is linked because it's the War on Terror...so if someone who had no idea what the war was could go and see for themselves. This sort of linking is commonplace across wiki.

--Mike Searson 23:16, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Sam, this is not the article itself.

I made no personal attacks against you in the article. Why is it ok to malign Mr Strider's reputation on this page using what is hearsay at best when it does not impact his knifemaking ability?

I erased the personal attacks from this page, I tend to get overheated when my friends are maligned for no good reason. --Mike Searson 02:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't know Mike. Ask the user who posted it. I didn't do it. Sam 13:02, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for adding verifiable sources

Now your edits are verifiable with the National Stock Numbers. This is good work. Thanks for making the effort. Sam 16:22, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm just thinking outloud here...but, if there are problems with "sourcing" why not just insert into the article "Citation needed" (for an example, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette secong paragraph)as opposed to deleting or removing chunks of it. It might keep the contributors from getting angry and/or frustrated. --Mike Searson 17:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

External links

Please see WP:EL. There were way too many external links in the EL section and many in the article body which is a complete no-go at the encyclopedia. The article needs a rewrite as it looks like a catalog. Cheers. L0b0t 14:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Links were originally provided because past "editors" claimed there was no evidence of what the article was saying.

I hope it does not become an issue in the future. --Mike Searson 19:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

If they are being cited as references thay need to be in the sources or references section with inline ref tags or footnotes. External links have no place whatsoever in the article body. Cheers. L0b0t 02:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Article is looking MUCH better, thanks for the cleanup. Cheers. L0b0t 03:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

MISC

This reference (11. ^ Surefire/Strider - New Products, Guns Magazine, January 2003 cites a press-release.) Removed and replaced with "citation needed." Sam 06:54, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

It is a press release announcing a collaboration between the two companies. Can press releases not be used as a source? --Mike Searson 08:34, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Press releases are perfectly acceptable sources; provided they are only being used to make claims of a descriptive nature about the organization (or person) issuing the statement. Cheers. L0b0t 15:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Techno-speak

Happened on this article and had a couple of thoughts.

In the first paragraph I am assaulted with: ATS-34, S-30V[1], Stellite, BG-42 CPM S30V G-10

Now I must ask you, why should I care? Presumably I am reading this to learn something and it appears that I have to do some serious work to even understand the basic content of the article.

No fair. I concede that the writer knows acronyms that I do not.

Really needs a rewrite into english. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Incitatus (talk • contribs) 12:45, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Good point, ATS34, S30V, BG42 are three types of stainless steels used to make knife blades. There are links to the definition of the steel types as well as stellite. G10 is a type of fiberglass.--Mike Searson (talk) 18:27, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Controversy

His actual name is Mick Berger. There was a huge controversy over this a while back. The guy said he used his knives in the armed forces, but he was caught lying on a lot of things. See this: http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=453852 74.78.98.109 (talk) 09:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

POWNetwork has posted DOD source documentation & information showing the both "Mick Strider" & Duane Dwyer are not who they claim to be with regards to their alleged special operations background.

Here's a POW Network link to all the relevant parties at Strider Knives, Inc. You'll note that a lot of the magazine articles linked quote these guys - and they are lying to the magazines. An example is Pat Rogers, who a contributor believes to be a former Recon Marine (he is not).

http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies366.htm