Talk:Sudetendeutsches Freikorps

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This article is in serious need of bias cleanup, and it's full of inaccuracies too. It's funny enough that the picture with Freikorps members aiming a rifle is dubbed "Teroristická akce sudetoněmeckého Freikorpsu.jpg" in czech. Just imagine the impact if the polish rebel fighters in the Warszaw uprising would be dubbed as "Terrorists" in a wikipedia article by a german-speaking editor.

Wikipedia once again shows that it has been thoroughly absorbed by leftist elements who are not interested in real display of history but one-sided germanophobic political propaganda instead! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.254.56.198 (talk) 18:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Concur. It reads like WW2 Russian propaganda. 155.213.224.59 (talk) 15:18, 25 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Known anybody how many people serving in Sudetendeutches Freikorps ? Geobels propaganda says over 50 000. But it is propaganda.

It is not clear - it was not regular organisation, more a partisans blend within population. Useful number would be number of people trained for the warfare in Germany. Pavel Vozenilek 02:55, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why "Czech German"--The Czechs were not the only people living there. I suggest Bohemian German.

72.226.74.225 20:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)Thomas[reply]

"Some sources"[edit]

Adding "According to some sources" may be a form of weaseling. Are there sources which dispute this figure? I also note that the German wikipedia version of this article [1], which is a featured article over there, does not say "some sources" but simply "Insgesamt führten SFK-Trupps mehr als 200 Terroraktionen durch, töteten dabei über 100 Menschen und entführten etwa 2.000 Opfer ins Deutsche Reich." Volunteer Marek 23:08, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can't see a dispute in the sources but let's give others a few day's to have a say before removing it. Rsloch (talk) 12:10, 30 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed the text in question. If anyone believes that there is a dispute over the figures could they please include references in any change. Rsloch (talk) 08:44, 5 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of content[edit]

User:Jay_D'Easy

Removed all map images from the Sudeten German uprising attack descriptions table, because they were absolutely amateurishly added, negatively impacted readability, and added nothing of value. Furthermore I have hidden the entire section, since some cleanup definitely needs to be done.

How exactly are the maps amateurishly added and impacting readability? It reads just fine on my screen.
They are of immense value as regards understanding of where the attacks were taking place alongside the border. I.e. that they were not isolated incidents now and there but concerted aggression alongside the entire borderline.
You are welcome to do cleanup, however hiding entire section? One that is of immense information value as regards actions that led to WW2 and which is not covered elsewhere on Wikipedia?

Please do understand this is an encyclopedia and that part is A LIST of attacks. There were around 300 major attacks and getting them all into the list will take a time. Long time, unless someone else starts covering the topic too.

Cheers Cimmerian praetor (talk) 16:58, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello.

First of all I want to apologize. In retrospect, my choice of words made it seem like a personal attack and for that I am sorry.

I might have been too quick in accusing the images of lacking value. However, in its current state, I feel like I'd rather quickly scroll past the section entirely because it simply does not look inviting to read. I am put off by the images' size and especially by how the text frequently wraps around them. This is what I was referring to when I said "amateurish" (again, sorry.) My first suggestion would be to decrease the images' size. Perhaps thumb them.

My second suggestion would be to restructure the entire section from its current format to improve readability. Make it one big table, sorted by date with and autocollapsed. Also I feel like the section title would be better as Sudeten German Uprising, just like its accompanying infobox.

Which brings me to my last thought: maybe it would even be a good idea to create an entirely new article named German Sudeten Uprising? Since I do agree that the information itself is valueable.--Jay D'Easy (talk) 17:18, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

With the wrapping around - I might see it differently in my Firefox. I just see the pic right of the text. Only when there is more of the text few lines get under the picture.

I am not sure about the restructuring. The intro to each day should provide information about things that were happening on the background of those attacks. I know it is quite limited by now, but the aim is to get it there.

The information value is in the list itself. It should remain encyclopedic and inviting to those that are really interested to read about individual actions.

Uprising - my mistake. I think that somewhere along the line when I was rewriting it I moved the infobox into the terrorism section. SD uprising was happening after 12th of September and was mostly suppressed by 15th. Actions of Freikorps after 17th were German acts of war, not part of the uprising. I will remedy that.

Cimmerian praetor (talk) 18:50, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Terrorist word used. Change?[edit]

I don't know if it's appropriate to put "terrorist" in the article infobox. I think maybe another such as a "German-backed paramilitary" Ominae (talk) 09:17, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Sudeten German uprising[edit]

We ostensibly have a main article... but all the information is here. Srnec (talk) 00:53, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]