Talk:Sultan Al Jaber

Edit requests to Intro and ADNOC sections

Hi. I am CB and I have a few edits I would like to have implemented for the Introduction and the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company sections.

• Please make the following small edits to the Intro so that the paragraph reads as follows: Sultan Ahmed Al Jaber (Arabic: سلطان أحمد الجابر, born August 31, 1973) is a Cabinet Member and Minister of Industry and Advanced Technology of the United Arab Emirates, Managing Director and Group CEO of the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company (ADNOC Group), the Chairman of Masdar, and the United Arab Emirates' special envoy for climate change.
• The first paragraph of the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company section includes too many unnecessary details. After the sentence "He was appointed...on 15 February 2016," please remove the last three sentences and replace them with the following sentence: Since then Al Jaber publicly listed several ADNOC businesses, while also attracting about $26 billion in international investment from companies such as BlackRock, Eni, and KKR.
• The second paragraph in the same section also includes too many details. Please replace it with the following paragraph: Under Al Jaber, ADNOC has invested in carbon capture and green hydrogen projects, while also committing to power its operations with renewable energy sources. The company has sought to increase ADNOC's output of crude oil from 3 million barrels of oil a day in 2016 to 5 million by 2030 which they believe is essential to avoid a global supply crunch while the world still relies on conventional fuels, using revenues to invest in carbon capture and green fuel technologies.

References

Thank you for your help, CB at ADNOC (talk) 08:25, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi @CB at ADNOC:. I've made a number of the changes you've requested, but some of the changes regard the removal of sourced material and I don't believe that should change - well sourced material that includes pertinent information (even if it's a little more detail than ideally the company would like to see shared in an article) would always be retained in WP, while unsourced information should be challenged and removed (I have in fact removed some unsourced content as well). Do let me know if this works out for you, but do please also review these changes with Wikipedia policies in mind - sourced fact, sourced material is generally kept in, unsourced material challenged and removed. There is a policy WP:DUE that manages the assignment of due and undue weight in an article and I think the overall position as it stands is fair (to the elements you have requested changes, at least, haven't had time to look at the rest). Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 12:25, 14 June 2022 (UTC)

Closing this request since it has been answered above. Z1720 (talk) 23:18, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

According to the Guardian, 5/40/23, the editor who wrote the above edit request is a paid employee of Abu Dhabi National Oil Company attempting to greenwash the subject of this article. TheScotch (talk) 05:56, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

See

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/30/cop28-president-team-accused-of-wikipedia-greenwashing-sultan-al-jaber

2A02:1210:2642:4A00:3C1F:D51A:2832:DAE4 (talk) 06:07, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Climate change and honors sections

Hi. I am requesting a few straightforward edits to update the article, as follows:

• At the end of the "Energy and climate change" section, please add the following information:

In 2009, as CEO of Masdar, he helped bring the headquarters of the International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA) to the UAE.

Al Jaber has advocated for a global approach to addressing climate change at international forums such as the Munich Security Conference, where he spoke in February 2022, stressing that responding to climate change can lead to diversified economic growth. He has also emphasized the key role national hydrocarbon producers should play in the energy transition, arguing that the least carbon-intensive barrels will be required for the foreseeable future.

During Al Jaber's tenure as special climate envoy to the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNCCC) for the UAE, the organization chose the UAE as the host for the 28th session of the Conference of the Parties (COP28) in 2023.

• Please add the following sentence to the end of the "Honors" section:

In 2021, Al Jaber was named ‘Energy Executive of the Year’ by Energy Intelligence.

References

I am also pinging Alexandermcnabb who has helped with this page in the past. Thanks so much. CB at ADNOC (talk) 08:47, 27 July 2022 (UTC)

@CB at ADNOC Edits made as requested (after review). Requestor is cautioned against making direct edits to teh article. Cheers. Duke Gilmore (talk) 20:25, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

@CB at ADNOC requested 'arguing that the least carbon-intensive barrels will be required for the foreseeable future' be added and Duke Gilmore added it. Whether @CB at ADNOC is an impartial source or not (see comment by TheScotch (talk)), as it stands, it doesn't make sense. The source cited is the Wall Street Journal, which is behind a paywall. Possibly 'the least carbon-intensive oil will be required for the foreseeable future' might express the sense of what is written in the WSJ article - could someone check and edit this statement? Robert P Connolly (talk) 13:06, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Changes to Masdar section

Hi there, my name is Zkhan2023. I'd like to propose the following changes to the article:

• Please move the Masdar subsection to the top of the Business career section, to ensure that the section reads in proper chronological order.
• Update the Masdar section to the version below, which better articulates his roles and activities at the company, complete with sources:

Al Jaber was the founding CEO of Masdar, beginning in 2006, and was appointed the chairman in March 2014. Under his leadership Masdar expanded its investment in renewable energy and as of the end of 2022 was invested in 40 countries. Under his chairmanship Masdar underwent a restructuring that brought in TAQA, ADNOC and Mubadala as shareholders in 2022. Al Jaber's goal is to expand Masdar's clean energy capacity to 100GW by 2030, making it the second largest renewable investor in the world.

References

Pinging Alexandermcnabb who appears to have been helpful with previous edit requests on this page. Thanks for your time, Zkhan2023 (talk) 08:52, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Implemented in the article with references. Feel free to reopen this discussion if there are any issues. Thanks, Zkhan2023 (talk) 05:04, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

In the spirit of reflexivity...

Here's today's Guardian article, describing the attempts of the subject of this article to improve his depiction here:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/30/cop28-president-team-accused-of-wikipedia-greenwashing-sultan-al-jaber

Cop28 president’s team accused of Wikipedia ‘greenwashing’

Exclusive: UAE using site to ‘control narrative’ amid criticism of oil boss leading climate summit, say critics

2A02:1210:2642:4A00:3C1F:D51A:2832:DAE4 (talk) 06:05, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Here is a more formal formatting of that reference:

Stockton, Ben (30 May 2023). "Cop28 president's team accused of Wikipedia 'greenwashing'". The Guardian. Exclusive: UAE using site to 'control narrative' amid criticism of oil boss leading climate summit, say critics.

-- 97.124.42.180 (talk) 06:19, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Why are we taking edits from Adnoc, anyway?

Seriously, can someone explain that to me?

The account @CB at ADNOC is literally ran by Sultan Al Jaber's team. They are paid for creating a good image, requesting to remove negative and add positive information. Why should Wikipedia cater someone's commercial interests, let alone interests of a fossil fuel company that is trying to infiltrate climate conferences, so it can carry on destroying the world? 148.252.133.105 (talk) 18:13, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Because not all CoI edits are bad, or even controversial. We encourage CoI editors to declare their CoI, and to use talk pages to request` all but the most benign edits. Each CoI should be judged on its merits. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:57, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

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Discussion involving BLP and marital status/children of this subject

Wikipedia talk:Biographies of living persons § Should a marital status or number of children be mentioned if no sources deem them noteworthy? Huggums537 (talk) 14:33, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Should we use The National as a source here?

This article currently makes quite extensive use of The National, a UAE newspaper, as a source. Most of the uses aren't particularly controversial, as they are mostly press release-style announcements of Al Jaber doing this or that. However, it appears that The National is owned by a royal and PM of the UAE. We thus have a source here owned by the UAE government (or rather someone with immediate stakes in said government) reporting on issues regarding the UAE government, which calls reliability and notability of The National as a source into question. I'd rather not use it in this article but I'd like to hear some input. Cortador (talk) 08:36, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Addendum: there's also some other possibly not reliable sources: Energy Voice is owned by the carbon industry, and advertises itself as being able to "provide members with a unique marketing platform". Gulf Business and Gulf News are owned or partially owned by Obaid Al Tayer, who was an Emirati minister until recently.

Editors largely agree that The National is at minimum not a suitable source for topics related to the UAE, and possibly generally unreliable (see here).

Updates to page

Hi all, I disclose that I have a conflict of interest and would like to suggest the following changes to the article to bring it up to date.

Alexandermcnabb and Cortador I note you have responded thoughtfully to previous requests on this subject matter and would appreciate your input on these suggestions - many thanks in advance!

1. The introduction currently reads:

Al Jaber is the UAE's special envoy for climate change, and the president-designate of the COP28 climate talks. His appointment as head of the COP28 climate talks was strongly criticized by environmentalists due to his track record at ADNOC. As head of ADNOC, Al Jaber has overseen a substantial expansion of gas and oil production at the same time that fossil fuel industries are under pressure to reduce output in order to mitigate climate change.

Can this be updated from designate to president (as he did carry out this role), and could a sentence be added to indicate the international response to his work in this capacity. The new text would read as follows:

Al Jaber is the UAE's special envoy for climate change, and the president of the COP28 climate talks. Following the summit, his role as president has been recognized due to the delivery of a climate agreement that contained language directing a "transition away" from fossil fuels for the first time.^[1][2][3]  His appointment as head of the COP28 climate talks was strongly criticized by environmentalists due to his track record at ADNOC. As head of ADNOC, Al Jaber has overseen a substantial expansion of gas and oil production at the same time that fossil fuel industries are under pressure to reduce output in order to mitigate climate change.

The following sources corroborate this:

1. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/13/climate/sultan-al-jaber-cop28.html
2. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/13/cop28-deal-significant-progress-tackle-climate-crisis
3. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231213-uae-s-jaber-oil-boss-who-brokered-beginning-of-end-for-fossil-fuels

2. Similarly, there is no update on the results of COP28 in the COP28 Presidency section. Could the following or similar be added:

Under Al Jaber's presidency, the summit committed to a climate agreement containing language directing a "transition away from fossil fuels". This was the first United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change COP event where an agreement was reached which suggested such a direction for fossil fuels.

Again, the following sources confirm this result:

1. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/13/climate/sultan-al-jaber-cop28.html
2. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/dec/13/cop28-deal-significant-progress-tackle-climate-crisis
3. https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20231213-uae-s-jaber-oil-boss-who-brokered-beginning-of-end-for-fossil-fuels

3. In the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company section, the third paragraph refers to output, but this figure actually refers to production capacity and should be changed accordingly i.e. "As head of ADNOC, Al Jaber has sought to increase ADNOC's crude oil production capacity from 3 million barrels of oil a day in 2016 to 5 million by 2030."^[1]

1. https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=61365

4. Also in the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company section, the first line is "Al Jaber has tried to position himself as an environmental advocate". The wording of the original New York Times source refers to "serving as an environmental advocate" rather than "trying to position" but it is hard to describe levels of advocacy without subjectivity. As the Sultan's actions/role both as a climate advocate and as a fossil fuels executive are covered amply elsewhere in the paragraph and in the rest of the article, and the paragraph still makes sense without this sentence, I would like to suggest removing this sentence to preserve a neutral tone.

Many thanks for considering these changes. Dedemocha (talk) 17:18, 15 April 2024 (UTC)