Talk:Sundowner (yacht)

A fact from Sundowner (yacht) appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 6 October 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that the 58-foot (18 m) motor yacht Sundowner, manned by Charles Lightoller, his son Roger, and a Sea Scout called Gerald, evacuated 130 men from Dunkirk?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/October.

Wikipedia

Military history: Maritime / British / European C‑class

This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.Military historyWikipedia:WikiProject Military historyTemplate:WikiProject Military historymilitary history articles

C

This article has been rated as C-class on the project's quality scale.

This article has been checked against the following criteria for B-class status:
Referencing and citation: criterion met Coverage and accuracy: criterion not met Structure: criterion met Grammar and style: criterion met Supporting materials: criterion met

Associated task forces:
/
	Maritime warfare task force
	British military history task force
	European military history task force

Ships

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Ships, a project to improve all Ship-related articles. If you would like to help improve this and other articles, please join the project, or contribute to the project discussion. All interested editors are welcome. To use this banner, please see the full instructions.ShipsWikipedia:WikiProject ShipsTemplate:WikiProject ShipsShips articles

Sources[edit]

http://www.adls.org.uk/shipinfo.cfm?id=63&RestTrust=0 http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/lightollers-sundowner-lifeboat-emergency.html http://www.allatsea.cx/xtras/pdf/Brief%20History%20of%20Sundowner.pdf

Above are some quick sources... this would be a nice article to expand as it's current state is unacceptable... Coastalsteve984 (talk) 13:30, 16 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done! dawkeye (talk) 14:58, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lightoller a survivor of the sinking of the Titanic[edit]

With this edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sundowner_%28yacht%29&type=revision&diff=1078592480&oldid=1078592291 editor @Juanpumpchump: removed the only mention of Ligthtoller being a survivor of the sinking of the Titanic from the article. I reverted it, and he reverted it back while accusing me of edit warring, hence this.

I propose the first sentence of the lead read:

Sundowner is a motor yacht formerly owned by Charles Lightoller, the second officer aboard the RMS Titanic and most senior surviving crewmember from her sinking in 1912.

I think my reasoning is obvious, but I'll elucidate: Lightoller's surviving the sinking of the Titanic is part of what made his life exceptional and interesting, and adds value to the article. Not mentioning it at all in the article assumes the reader knows the Titanic sank which may seem obvious but is not how encyclopedias work. It makes the article more interesting, and the article is short as it is. And finally, there is WP:WEIGHT... wherever Sundowner is mentioned, you can be sure Lightoller will be mentioned, and if anyone can present an instance where Sundowner is mentioned in a book or article without mention of Lightoller being a survivor, I will be surprised. Le Marteau (talk) 15:56, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, with this edit https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sundowner_%28yacht%29&type=revision&diff=1078656707&oldid=1078607458 editor PF235 has at least restored the fact that the Titanic sank, and that'll do... no need to say he "survived" if the article at least says she sank. Le Marteau (talk) 20:53, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]