Talk:Surgeon General of the United States Army

Surgeons General of the U.S. Army and their precursors: Acting The Surgeon General Pollock

I think Maj. Gen. Pollock should be removed from this list. There are a number of instances where Surgeons General have had Acting Surgeons General fill in the gaps between the retirement of a former and the Senate Approval of the following. During the period between Lt. Gen. Peake and Lt. Gen Kiley's Surgeon Generalships Maj. Gen. Joseph Webb was the Acting Surgeon General, but we don't list him. Admittedly, Maj. Gen. Pollock assumed the position of Acting The Surgeon General (her correct title during the period) under extraordinary circumstances, but she still was not The Surgeon General, which requires Senate confirmation, and when the Senate confirmed Lt. Gen. Schoomaker as Maj. Gen. Kiley's successor, Maj. Gen. Pollock reverted to the position of Deputy Surgeon General, which she retained until her retirement the following year.Eltrace (talk) 17:40, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

No doubt Pollock is there because of the "extraordinary circumstances" you mention, among which was that no female had even held the position of Acting SG before. I agree with the observation that it's inconsistent to not include other "acting" SGs, so I propose that they all be included in the list, with "Acting" substituted for the number at left, as is the case now for Pollock. (That will explain any gap in dates that will be apparent between SGs....) 143.85.18.26 (talk) 14:03, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

If you look at the periods of time that there were gaps between other Surgeons General, most of them were for a couple of weeks, or a month or two at most. Pollock was Acting The Surgeon General for almost nine months. That is the "Exceptional Circumstance." Additionally, the Deputy Surgeon General is typically Acting the Surgeon General during those gaps. In the most recent case, that of LTG Dingle, then-MG Dingle was Acting The Surgeon General. I would recommend deleting all of those short periods--keeping the start and end dates for each Surgeon General's term as they are now--but list Pollock as Acting the Surgeon General, perhaps with a remark that her extended tenure was due to the Walter Reed Incident, with an appropriate link to that page. Because she is clearly an outlier, and should be addressed in the article. She ran the Army Medical Department for 9 months while they were cleaning up the mess at Walter Reed and continued to receive patients from two wars. She had her hands full, as did the rest of her staff. Donald.H.40 (talk)

New Surgeon General

"On Thursday, the Senate confirmed the nomination of Major General Nadja Y. West to be promoted to lieutenant general and become the next United States Army Surgeon General and Commanding General, United States Army Medical Command. MG(P) West is currently serving as the Joint Staff Surgeon, Joint Staff, Washington, D.C. MG(P) West is a family medicine doctor who formerly served as the commander of Womack Army Medical Center, Fort Bragg, N.C. and went on to be the Commanding General, Europe Regional Medical Command.

To read more about her biography, visit http://www.jcs.mil/Leadership/ArticleView/tabid/3893/Article/572002/maj-gen-nadja-y-west.aspx"

Article about LTG Horoho stepping down. http://www.fayobserver.com/military/trailblazing-fayetteville-native-relinquishes-army-surgeon-general-post/article_7d2eac36-ad93-5478-a4ee-da62bb88e82e.html

Army.mil article. http://www.army.mil/article/159884/Maj__Gen__Nadja_West_confirmed_as_44th_Army_Surgeon_General/

WiiWillieWiki 23:51, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

Acting Surgeon General

Should Acting Army Surgeon General Charles Richard who acted in 1918 be added? Gbawden (talk) 10:16, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

If there's a citation for it from a reliable secondary source, I don't see why not. Marking it as (acting) or with the typical colour used for acting officials would be in order, however. That being said, that would mean all acting surgeons general per the topmost section of this page would need to be added. Best to read that as well. SuperWIKI (talk) 13:25, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Friends, I would recommend against trying to identify all those who have at some point served as Acting Surgeon General over the years. Thomas Lawson accompanied Scott's Army during the Mexican-American War and someone in Washington DC was acting as The Surgeon General during that time. But they weren't The Surgeon General, Lawson was. This page is a list of people who have served as The Surgeon General. It is an appointed position and serving in that capacity during an interim period does not make you the de facto Surgeon General of the Army. I would recommend limiting the names on this list to those who have served in that appointed capacity. Thanks for your consideration! Eltrace (talk) 20:41, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

LTG Dingle

LTG Dingle is currently serving as The Surgeon General. See the current GOMO public page, https://www.gomo.army.mil/public/Biography/usa-9642/raymonds-dingle (as of 30 Sep 2023). MG Appenzeller is not Acting The Surgeon General. Eltrace (talk) 13:56, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

I currently maintain the List of active duty United States three-star officers page, along with 4-star and 2-star lists. In relation to this, did Dingle's retirement get delayed at the very last minute because of Tuberville's hold (I am aware that some officers were asked to postpone retirement, but in Dingle's case, it's unprecedented that it was delayed after the ceremony, since he isn't being investigated for misconduct)? And if you have a source for Dingle's possible retirement date?

This delay is giving me a mighty huge headache here, because I have to revert a bunch of updates I made. On the topic of GOMO, they sometimes update a bit late, but in this case I assume it's correct. SuperWIKI (talk) 14:33, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Update: His retirement ceremony was held on July 31, and general officers typically actually retire at the end of the month. That's why I assumed that Dingle's retirement got delayed at the very last minute. SuperWIKI (talk) 14:45, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Dingle is a friend of mine, and according to his Facebook Page, he's been extended for an indeterminate period. According to a 9 August post, his change of command was postponed indefinitely, and he was at Fort Sam Houston on 27 & 28 September in uniform, on official business. They also just announced that MG Talley will be the Deputy Surgeon General earlier this week. Although not announced, Appenzeller will most likely be moving to a position in the Defense Health Agency. Of course, none of that is footnotable. To use the Pentagon parlance, Dingle has been "Tubervilled." Don.H.40 (talk) 18:06, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the info, which I'm hoping is actually reliable. I hate this. I hate this so much. SuperWIKI (talk) 18:11, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

There are a lot of people who are not thrilled with the situation.Don.H.40 (talk) 18:27, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

General Officer Assignments Sept. 22, 2023

The chief of staff of the Army announces the following officer assignments:

Maj. Gen. Brian W. Gibson, commanding general, 94th Army Air and Missile Defense Command, Joint-Base Pearl Harbor Hickam, Hawaii, to director, Plans and Policy, J-5, U.S. Space Command, Peterson Space Force Base, Colorado.

Maj. Gen. Michael J. Talley, commanding general, U.S. Army Medical Center of Excellence; and chief of the U.S. Army Medical Service Corps, Joint Base San Antonio, Texas, to deputy commanding general (Support); chief of staff, U.S. Army Medical Command; and chief of the U.S. Army Medical Service Corps, Falls Church, Virginia.

Brig. Gen. John W. Lubas to director, Operations, Readiness and Mobilization, Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff, G-3/5/7, U.S. Army, Washington, D.C. He most recently served as deputy commanding general (Operations), 101st Airborne Division (Air Assault), Fort Campbell, Kentucky.

Brig. Gen. Roger S. Giraud, deputy commanding general (Operations), U.S. Army Medical Command, Joint Base San Antonio, Texas, to commanding general, Medical Readiness Command, Europe; and command surgeon, U.S. Army Europe-Africa, Germany.

Brig. Gen. Clinton K. Murray, commanding general, Medical Readiness Command, Europe; command surgeon, U.S. Army Europe-Africa; and director, Defense Health Region-Europe, Defense Health Agency, Germany, to commanding general, U.S. Army Medical Center of Excellence, Joint Base San Antonio, Texas.

Brig. Gen. Lance C. Raney to commanding general, Medical Readiness Command, East, Fort Belvoir, Virginia. He most recently served as command surgeon, U.S. Army Forces Command, Fort Liberty, North Carolina.

• Army Reserve*

Maj. Gen. John H. Phillips, military deputy to Deputy Chief of Staff, G-6 (Individual Mobilized Augmentee), Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff, G-6, Washington, D.C., to director, J-6, Cyber/C4, U.S. European Command, Germany.

Brig. Gen. Daphne D. Davis, deputy commanding general (Support) (Inactive Ready Reserve), U.S. Army Recruiting Command, Fort Knox, Kentucky, to commander (Troop Program Unit), 95th Training Division (Initial Entry Training), Fort Sill, Oklahoma.

Brig. Gen. Susie S. Kuilan, commander (Troop Program Unit), 95th Training Division (Initial Entry Training), Fort Sill, Oklahoma, to deputy commander (Troop Program Unit), 108th Training Command, Charlotte, North Carolina.

Brig. Gen. Jed J. Schaertl, deputy commanding general, Mobilization and Reserve Affairs (Individual Mobilized Augmentee), U.S. Army Europe-Africa, Germany, to deputy commander - Readiness (Troop Program Unit), 81st Readiness Division, Fort Jackson, South Carolina.

Don.H.40 (talk) 18:29, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

That's already done, on List of active duty United States Army major generals#List of pending appointments. Thanks anyway though! SuperWIKI (talk) 18:33, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I only keep track of AMEDD generals. Got a list of 600 of them, going back to the first, including USAR and ARNG. But that's a story for a whole other time. :-)Don.H.40 (talk) 19:54, 30 September 2023 (UTC)