Talk:Suspension (body modification)

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merge under the title suspension (body modification) with Flesh hook suspension becoming a redirect page. Glowimperial 14:58, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Agree. Something should be said in the merged article about the artistic use of this practice, e.g. by Stelarc. Metamagician3000 09:10, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Why is there a link to the movie The Cell? Does body suspension appear or is otherwise featured in the movie(I don't remember it being, but feel free to correct me)). Tias

I think so... isn't the baddie self-suspended by hooks through the skin on his back/arms/legs while he pleasures himself watching his new snuff vid? Perhaps I've misremembered... Ewlyahoocom

I saw that the merger was proposed last December, and there were no objections, so I decided to just merge these articles. --WhyBeNormal? ^{c · t · m} 07:25, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Why? section

I think the why section might be more correct if something is mentioned about people doing it for other, less serious if you will, reasons as well as for ritualistic purposes. I have done about a dozen suspensions, and of these, I have to say I haven't really connected with God, sought out some great truth or anything similar. In the beginning it was as a challenge, and once it was overcome, suspensions are actually really fun. Furthermore, some people simply enjoy the endorphine rush that you normally get after hanging a few minutes.. worth mentioning this?

This section seems to be just a copy from the BMEZine FAQ, I agree that it should be changed to reflect the real reasons people might do it. B3radley 05:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

history

this really needs a history section.

also, this shouldn't really be entitled "body modification", should it? it's certainly tied into the same community, but it's not really changing the body; just using it in atypical ways. — Omegatron 04:00, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Citations

This page is badly in need of more referencing, added tags. Also could someone put the contents box in a better place? perhaps on the right of the page with the text running down the left so there isn't a big empty space anymore? -- Librarianofages 01:44, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I definitely agree. I'd especially like to see a source for this one: "It should be noted that this is not viable. Rings used in surface piercings almost always reject even without the additional stress of weight hanging from them." I believe that would depend on the deepness, though I'm not sure but I tend to trust my knowledge of body mods. Sion 11:52, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Body modification is focused on exactly what it's name implies and suspension (what it's name implies) but is more speaking about the spiritual "oneness' derived from the pain and enjoyment of the pain after getting "comfortable" with it. Just like tattoos and cigarettes in some cases. Sadly, most spiritual understandings are not cit-able because it's an individual relationship with ones spirituality therefore no understanding of another person applies.

How does hook placement require 'great skill in mathematics'? This claim should either be supported or ripped out, so to speak. Physics, particularly statics, maybe. But mathematics? I don't think so. If math is really involved, that would be very interesting indeed, and I'd like to see this explained. Beyondo 18:22, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Pictures

Also I think some pictures would be in order for this page if anyone could get some non copyright pictures -- Librarianofages 01:48, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Frankly, I just want more

I was introduced to this practice (not first hand) just tonight by my neighbor, who is an experienced suspensionist (?). SO I was looking up more information here. I would like some information on how widespread the practice is, how multicultural it is, what the roots are, etc. etc. This is a fine primer (esp. since it coroborates and clarifies some of what my neighbor told me), but it's far too limited. Could this practice be linked to other aescetic practices? Is it similar or related to flagellation? Is it indigenous to the American continent? Is it exclusive to the American continent? Tell me more!

References

My Wiki-fu is somewhat weak - could someone change the "Citation Needed" links re: the Mandan to the following: Catlin, George. O-Kee-Pa: A Religious Ceremony and Other Customs of the Mandan. New Ed. Lincoln, NE: University of Nebraska Press, 1976 --134.225.186.227 (talk) 16:39, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Mandan Are Extinct?

Why is it stating that the Mandan tribe is extinct? Other than the last federally-recognized full blood member having died in 1971. This tribe merged with two other tribes to become the Three Affiliated Tribes. I don't recall there ever being a mention of a tribe being considered "extict" and wiped out because they are not proven 100% of one given tribal affiliation. As most biologists believe the vast majority of people to be of mixed blood decent (part Irish part English, etc) this would also mean whole races of people from across Europe, Asia, and elsewhere would be considered extinct as well. Even though people still consider themselves part of that heritage. Despite the fact that other than Native American ancestry, people who say they are part German/Part Irish don't have to succumb to a legal measurement of their history. Furthermore, there are still people legally affiliated in the Mandan/Three Affiliated Tribes clan who wouldn't appreciate being considered extinct.

Check out the Extinction article here on wikipedia. At least that article offers citations.

"Pinpointing the extinction (or pseudoextinction) of a species requires a clear definition of that species. If it is to be declared extinct, the species in question must be uniquely identifiable from any ancestor or daughter species, or from other closely related species. Extinction of a species (or replacement by a daughter species) plays a key role in the punctuated equilibrium hypothesis of Stephen Jay Gould and Niles Eldredge." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.231.125.45 (talk) 04:16, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikiproject Body Modification

I'm trying to start a Wikiproject on Body Modification, if anyone wants to join go here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Council/Proposals/Body_Modification ScarTissueBloodBlister (talk) 01:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

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Removing the citation needed banner

I have addressed all the "citation needed" tags, added multiple sources throughout the article, and added some further reading bibliography.

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