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Have added some links to this article, please kindly also add more thank you. 39.54.66.24 (talk) 07:20, 14 March 2012 (UTC)Prof Asad U Khwaja[reply]

Some suggestions for section expansion

The article's 'Career' section needs to be expanded in my view, with two parts (a) a first paragraph or two on the legal career and then (b) the present text, about other activities, also somewhat expanded. AsadUK200 (talk)AsadUK200

There are many lies and half-truths in this article about advocate retd Afzal Haider, and especially there is doubt even as to his 'syed' status, based on fake and unreliable documents and the statements and writings that Haider has been making himself, in his own writings, over the years, to build up this story. I have tried to give a more objective POV by adding more balanced references which point to the truth in historical terms. Best wishes, 39.54.25.250 (talk) 17:32, 24 May 2018 (UTC) Col (retd) Malik Mumtaz Khan , Pakistan[reply]

More than 99% of people in India and Pakistan who claim to be Syeds are fake. Although they may or may not know this. It's so funny that the people who call themselves Syeds do agree that there are many fake Syeds in the society but they think themselves to be true Syeds because they have been told so by their parents. They possess a family tree to justify their claim but the irony is that the authenticity of their Family Tree can BY NO POSSIBLE MEANS be proven. How interesting is the fact that these so called Syeds have a strong conviction of being the true descendants of the Holy Prophet with no research done on their claim or their self-recorded and possessed Family Tree, whereas these people do not even agree on the number of the very direct descendants of the Holy Prophet; his daughters. According to Sunnis they were four in number whereas according to Shias, the Prophet had one daughter. If they just consider this only fact, they will probably review their claim to be Syed. A lot of research has been done, with a number of hadiths to consolidate the claims of each sect but still Muslims don't agree on the number of prophet's own daughters; his very next generation! but these Syeds so adamantly and so ignorantly claim themselves to be Prophet's real descendants with a fabricated Family Tree or at least one that can by no means be verified.

I have a very relevant piece of information here to further prove my point. The population of the world in the year 700 AD was 210 Million and today it is roughly 6billion, 800 Million. 700 AD is the year when the progeny of the prophet started to grow. It means that for each one individual at that time we now have approx. 33 people in all these years. This clearly shows how many descendants one individual can have in this much time. It shows that it is practically impossible for one person to have millions and millions of descendants as is allegedly the case with the Prophet. According to an estimate there are about 20 Million claimants of prophet's descent in more than 17 countries of the Muslim world. Now someone will point out that I am being forgetful about the factors that adversely affect human population growth such as disease, natural calamities, wars, revolutions, hunger, infertility, etc. Let's suppose that out of those 210 million people, the descendants of only one million 'chosen ones' grew. We are subtracting the 209 million people, keeping in account all the aforementioned facts that control population growth. Now see the table below:

One million * 6800 = 6 Billion 80 Million

It means if the population of only one million people out of those 210 million increased, the average number of descendants of each individual would be 6800! Did you see facts? It's simply preposterous . How can one determine the truth of all these claims? IftHM 20 (talk) 21:29, 25 May 2018 (UTC) IftiHM20[reply]

I think these people should take proper scientific DNA tests to determine their origins. Fake 'shajra's (pedigrees) on paper mean nothing, they can be created by anyone. 39.54.73.129 (talk) 04:07, 5 June 2018 (UTC)Col (r) Malik Mumtaz Khan , Pakistan[reply]