Talk:Symphony No. 1 (Brahms)

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What is Symphony No.1's real name? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.107.174.112 (talk) 21:38, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What, is this a trick question? +ILike2BeAnonymous 23:02, 25 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Musical elements section[edit]

I have a CD recording of this symphony that has good material in the liner notes. I incorporated some of these items into the existing article sections, and created a new "Musical elements" section to provide information about the musicality/themes of the piece. Gmazeroff (talk) 15:10, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Any reason...[edit]

why the article starts with the 3rd movement? 82.69.28.55 (talk) 04:47, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Because that's all that was added by that editor. Someone knew a lot about that movement and didn't add anything about the others. Do you know more about the other three movements? Anyone is free to add more.DavidRF (talk) 21:43, 2 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the clarinet excerpt that shows the main theme should be transposed, so that it doesn't appear to readers that the theme is in B-flat instead of A-flat. Xenofan 29A (talk) 00:07, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The bit on the 3rd movement is quite big...would it be better to remove it until the rest of the movements are analyzed? I was planning on writing an analysis of the whole symphony, but it became too time consuming at that point in the year. Lrkleine (talk) 01:39, 8 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes this page definitely needs some analysis of the second and fourth movements. After all, the fourth movement is where it's most similar to Beethoven's Ninth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sportzak (talk • contribs) 19:15, 10 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

First performance and festive première[edit]

~~Here~~Below, a text about this symphony :

The première of the work took place not in Vienna but in Karlsruhe, under the direction of Felix Otto Dessoff (...) The festive première on November 4, 1876, in the capital of Baden, and the repeat three days later in Mannheim...

This text is not signed but appears in a box set of records. After this author, there are a difference between the first performance in Karlsruhe and the first concert official in ~~Munich~~Stuttgart. The concert of November 4 was in Karlsruhe or in ~~Munich~~Stuttgart ?
— Nicolas ANCEAU

What makes you think the premiere on 4 November 1876 was anywhere else but in Karlsruhe? Three days later, Brahms conducted the symphony in Mannheim. Who said anything about Munich? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 05:21, 3 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, not Munich but saying Stuttgart — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nicolas ANCEAU (talk • contribs)

(I took the liberty of restoring the original text above and marking your changes, as well as signing your comment.) I still don't follow; neither your quoted text nor the article mention Stuttgart. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 10:58, 12 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Beethoven's Ninth theme[edit]

Is the article correctly representing Brahms' opinion about the fourth movement in 'This was an assertion which irritated Brahms, but which he nevertheless acknowledged--"any ass can see that"'? I would think the assertion didn't irritate Brahms, but the way it was asserted as if it were a great discovery irritated him. I have no basis for this except that it is perfectly obvious that Brahms borrowed the theme, it must have been intended to be obvious (as it couldn't possibly be concealed), and he could easily have been irritated at anyone's making a big deal of it. Thus "acknowledged" with the implication of reluctance would be misleading. That is what "any ass can see that" seems to mean. I don't have the cited book available, so I can only wonder what the book says. Zaslav (talk) 07:51, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The German article on this symphony gives the quote with more context: to remarks that the two themes in question were remarkably similar, Brahms responded, "Yes, and even more remarkable is that every ass can hear that." Our article avoids "acknowledged" when this is discussed in the section "Reception", but the wording in "Exposition" can be improved. "Retorted"? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 11:43, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The 9/8 bar is not at the end of the introduction.[edit]

The section on the 1st movement falsely states that the introduction is concluded by a 9/8 bar. The bar in question is at the first culmination of the beginning forte passage, at bar 8. 213.55.242.210 (talk) 09:58, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]