Talk:TAI Hürjet

Malaysia

So it was regarding the Hurjet's possible acquirement by Malaysia. Turkey had invited them in 2020 but really not much happened to it, rather did the Hurjet take place in the LCA/LIFT tender of the MAF. One of the requirements made by the MAF was that 50% of the jets must be produced in Malaysia which Turkey agreed to. So really the point of adding that Malaysia got invtied to the program makes no sense considering it wasnt an invitation to the program rather for the export & local/license production. — Preceding unsigned comment added by XForester (talk • contribs) 21:55, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Adding the HAL Tejas to the the See Also: "Aircraft of comparable role, configuration, and era" section.

The Engine is the same, the Hurjet is also set to have a full air to air weapons loadout as well as an AESA radar from Aselsan, not to mention its planned for use on the TSG Anadolu Carrier, the manufacturer has explicitly mentioned varying combat roles as well as subsystems to be used in a light combat role. I think it makes sense to add the HAL Tejas to the "Aircraft of comparable role, configuration, and era" If fact the Hurjet is far more similar in capability to the Tejas, than say a more basic Alenia Aermacchi M-346 Master, which doesn't even have an afterburner and a 2 engine setup with much smaller engines. If that is included in the aircraft of comparable configuration, I think the HAL Tejas should be included as well. The Hurjet is far more than an ordinary trainer according to the manufacturer in terms of its potential role. It would be helpful for people looking to research similar aircraft to the Hurjet, or if they were interested in knowing what other aircraft uses the same single engine design for a light combat role. Midgetman433 (talk) 22:16, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Simply having the same engine isn't enough. The Hürjet is a trainer first, and also a much later design than the Tejas, so they aren't of the same era. The Tejas is being marketed as a Lead-in fighter trainer (LIFT) only because HAL can't get anyone outside of India to buy it as a fighter. See also sections aren't supposed to include every possible aircraft that might be similar in one way or another, or they get too long. The F404 is used in many types, and we shouldn't list them all here. If we add the Tejas, then someone else will want to add the Gripen, because uses the same single engine design for a light combat role, and is of the same era as the Tejas. Then someone will want to add F-20, and on and on. And because the Tejas is Indian, someone will either remove it, add the JF-17, or both. So we have to draw the line somewhere (trainer first), and Tejas is on the other side of it. BilCat (talk) 04:50, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

I agree, the Tejas does not belong on this list. Trying to sell it as a "trainer" is a symptom of "marketing desperation" since it isn't selling as a fighter outside India. They will be selling them as "warbirds" to private collectors next. - Ahunt (talk) 00:31, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Well the question is.. Is the Hurjet merely a trainer? how many of the trainers in the similar list have AESA radar plans and full air to air weapons loadouts and carrier fighters roles planned? It may have been announced as a trainer at the very beginning, but its role seems to have been expanded much further. Its in the same tender as the HAL Tejas for Malaysia's light fighter role. Midgetman433 (talk) 03:01, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Putting a gun on a VW Beetle doesn't make it a tank. - Ahunt (talk) 03:14, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Malaysia's tender is for a Lead-In Fighter Trainer (LIFT), not an light fighter such, from the sources I've seen. This role is what the Hürjet was designed for, not the Tejas. The Tejas is also old technologically, especially in its aerodynamics. The Gripen is what the Tejas should/could have been, and both are being replaced by updated models with the F414 engine. But HAL wants to get some sales for the Tejas, and the only interest they can find is for a LIFT role, and they're practically begging Malaysia to buy it. The T-50 is much closer to what the Hürjet is aiming for, and it's already listed. BilCat (talk) 07:04, 6 February 2023 (UTC)

Maximum take off/empty weight is doubtful?

Dimensions of Hurjet is comparable to any other 10 to 13 tonne light category fighter aircraft also Hurjet is using 80kn class GEf404 engine,so 6.5 tonnes of maximum takeoff weight and 1.2 tonne empty weight doesn't make any sense. Dl ff (talk) 12:20, 23 May 2023 (UTC)