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On 21 March 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Tacky's War to Tacky's Revolt. The result of the discussion was moved.

Dating the Haitian Revolution

Haitian Revolution begins 1791, not 1790. It's the second time I've seen this somewhere on wikipedia, not sure where it's coming from. Just revised, but placing this on talk page in case someone might know what source is behind this confusion. Isaaccurtis (talk) 14:05, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

As far as I can see there are both the same event. It appears that Tacky is the more common spelling for the Jamaican rebel and this article has more content. Sligocki (talk) 03:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. FreplySpang 04:21, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

tacky

It was just like the story of nanny of the marrons she got shot but shot by a english solders while fightng to gain victory for her country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.27.163.180 (talk) 20:12, 14 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cubah

I added the section on Cubah at the bottom for now, but I admit it isn't the ideal organisation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pen Lewins (talk • contribs) 15:23, 19 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I have positioned this section more appropriately, in a chronological order. I have also added the extra citations that were needed to make this a more in-depth, referenced article.Mikesiva (talk) 12:49, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Wager a.k.a. Apongo

Vincent Brown points out that the rebellion by Wager, a.k.a. as Apongo, has been largely overlooked. I will be adding bits and pieces from that western revolt during the course of the year.Mikesiva (talk) 12:22, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Haverhill

The text Haverhill by James Jones is fiction, not an actual memoir. It should not be cited as an accurate source of information on the rebels. Rather, it is an imagined dramatization of the accounts offered by Edward Long and Bryan Edwards, two slaveholding historians who wrote the first histories of the rebellion.

Dating Tacky's War

The revolt began on the night of April 7 and the early morning of April 8, and lasted through 1760.

Sources

Maria Allessandra Bollettino, “Slavery, War, and Britain’s Atlantic Empire: Black Soldiers, Sailors, and Rebels in the Seven Years’ War,” (PhD dissertation, University of Texas, Austin, 2009), 191-256.

Vincent Brown, Tacky's Revolt: The Story of an Atlantic Slave War (Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press, 2020).

______ The Reaper’s Garden: Death and Power in the World of Atlantic Slavery (Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press, 2008), 129-156.

Trevor Burnard, Mastery, Tyranny, and Desire: Thomas Thistlewood and his Slave in the Anglo-Jamaican World (Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press, 2004), pp. 170-174.

Michael Craton, Testing the Chains: Resistance to Slavery in the British West Indies (Ithaca: Cornell University Press, 1982), 125-139.

Richard Hart, Slaves Who Abolished Slavery: Blacks in Rebellion (Kingston: University of West Indies Press, 2002 [1985]), 130-156.

C. Roy Reynolds, “Tacky and the Great Slave Revolt of 1760,” Jamaica Journal 6 (June 1972): 5-8.

Monica Schuler, “Ethnic Slave Rebellions in the Caribbean and the Guianas,” Journal of Social History 3 (Summer 1970): 374-85.

Requested move 21 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) – Hilst [talk] 23:17, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tacky's War → Tacky's Revolt – "Tacky's Revolt" is a much more WP:COMMONNAME than "Tacky's War" for this event per Ngrams: [1]. The best source (and, I believe, the only book) specifically about this event—Tacky's Revolt (2020) by Vincent Brown—calls it by this name: "Tacky's Revolt" is the standard name for the violent events that began with the attack on Fort Haldane and ended months later with the defeat of Wager and others on the far side of the island. [2]

I considered "Tacky's Rebellion", as it very slightly beats "Tacky's Revolt" in Ngrams, but there are more results from Google Scholar for "Tacky's Revolt": 190 for "Tacky's Revolt", 107 for "Tacky's Rebellion", and just 24 for "Tacky's War".

I also considered the lowercase "Tacky's revolt", but "Tacky's Revolt" is about four times as frequent as "Tacky's revolt" in Ngrams. Malerisch (talk) 20:50, 21 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 12:26, 22 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Proposed article name change to the "Jamaican Revolution".

The extensive sources cited throughout, unequivocally show this was far more than a mere rebellion (Please review all of the cited sources carefully for validation). So please change the article name to the Jamaican Revolution. 2A02:6B67:D965:700:21BB:A374:C713:C417 (talk) 17:15, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We would need evidence that this is the WP:COMMONNAME among experts and the public for this particular subject. For example, you might provide evidence of Ngrams showing that Tacky's Revolt has been superceded by other terms. Or you can search Google Scholar for articles discussing the topic. Lewisguile (talk) 15:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reversion of potential WP:TE and disruptive editing

I have reverted the mass deletion of text and insertion of WP:UNDUE, WP:BIAS and WP:TE by blocked IP user as likely WP:SPA. Similar changes were made to several related pages: Afro-Caribbeans, Afro-Jamaicans, Coromantee and Tacky's Rebellion.

Having compared the diffs to see if there was anything worth keeping, I have manually restored anything with RSes or which improved prose (if there was anything). Most changes were poorly sourced and added significant bias into the article, or simply removed existing information for no policy-based reason.

For transparency, I will post this on all affected pages. Lewisguile (talk) 17:27, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Names of the people

I notice that the edits others & I have made in regards to possible original names of the Africans here have been removed. ("Takyi, Kwatakye, Sobadu, Akua etc. etc.") This is very significantly damaging when it comes to keeping the history in tact. I understand the policy about providing credible well established sources, however it's important to note we're looking at 18th century Jamaica, a time where African people did not control the narrative of these stories. So their original names were anglicized and bastardized. There's not many sources as to what their actual names were. But we now know more than we ever did and new discoveries are being made. We know these people, "Coromantee people" were from Kromantse and the Central region of Ghana, West Africa. (A Fante dominant region) We know all Akan people in that time were recorded as Coromantee. We know "Tacky" was from Eguaafo, a Fante dominant region. In that region, in that ethnic group, the correct spelling is Takyi, the correct spelling of "Quaco" is Kwaku, Cudjo is "Kojo", Cubah is "Akua", Quaw is a varation of "Yaw" (as mentioned in the article on "Quao" the Jamaican maroon") & Badu is a Akan name meaning "tenth born". (and so on and so forth) These are the correct derivatives of these names, that were poorly recorded by the British ears that were unfamiliar to the African tongue. The Akan day names article [3] has information on these names & their connections across the African diaspora. So the extra notes providing the possible & plausible etymologies of the names are important, and truly significant for the long term preservation of this history. After years of being documented by the colonizers and Africans not being able to tell their own stories, not even able to record their own names, the least we can do is provide cultural context behind the names that were recorded. Especially when that context makes connections that were previously unnoted and bridges together a history that's been so largely decimated by the tragedies of slavery. SankofaNyame (talk) 11:12, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm largely sympathetic to this argument, but we must use reliable sources to verify as much as we can. We also can't use original research by WP editors, so you need to find academics and other experts who have said this.

Try using scholar.google.com, and see what you can find. If you find any useful sources that way, pop them here and I'll take a look for you. If you can't access any of the academic papers (e.g., because of a paywall), let me know and I'll try to do it through my university. Lewisguile (talk) 15:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]