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(Copied from editor talk page.} You can't use opinion blogs and tabloids to insert controversial material in a biography of a living person. If this stuff was notable, then a reliable source would have reported it. The fact that "Independent Australia" is not used as a reference anywhere on Wikipedia should be a big clue to the reliability of that source. Go and read the links referenced, please.
You are giving the following sources for contentious material:
I am not disputing the material, just the sources. We must have reliable sourcing for this sort of material. Find a more mainstream source: the ABC, Guardian, SMH, DW, Al Jazeera, something like that. --Pete (talk) 21:03, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good catch. I dug into the authors, because I'm inclined to view Crikey as borderline depending on the author and there was another legit source (Buzzfeed News when it had a professional Australian bureau) - and it's actually even worse: the authors of all of this were directly involved, possibly leading the campaign against Yassine/the Co-Op, so there's a heck of a conflict of interest in borderline at best sources. The Drover's Wife (talk) 21:56, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Should the inclusion of a limited paragraph covering the Buzzfeed article's content within the 'Career' section be acceptable? El-Baba (talk) 05:40, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
NPOV demands the SMH angle as well. --Pete (talk) 06:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
El-Baba, I see that you've been continually adding this back. To be clear, because this is a BLP everything needs to be sourced. First, it is impossible that Yassine started working for Dunhill Madden Butler in 2010 given that it merged with Price Waterhouse Coopers in 2000 after he started working for Dunhill. Second, the BuzzFeed article [1] does not say that Yassine held multiple positions at the Co-Op - it only mentions one. It does not say that students "accused the organisation of historical and ongoing mismanagement, substandard governance, and anti-democratic practices", and it does not say that there is any connection between Yassine and the Co-Op entering voluntary administration, so we cannot draw that connection. - Bilby (talk) 00:19, 30 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Bilby, I was not aware of the changes that you performed in relation to Dunhill Butler. So I extend my apologies. As for the reference to the Co-op's voluntary administration, that was meant to serve as a timeline of Talal's cessation from the organisation. As for his 'positions', that must have been legacy commentary from previous references.
Now, I beg to differ about the accusations leveled against Talal. It does say that students "accused the organisation of historical and ongoing mismanagement, substandard governance, and anti-democratic practices", albeit not explicitly. This was all simply paraphrase. Basis for the language could be drawn from the hyphenated points below.
If there is a preference in wording, please amend the wording as you see fit.
Kindest, EL-BABA
- 'The Co-op Bookshop has come under fire from a group of students, who say The Co-op is being mismanaged and students are missing out.'
- 'But the push failed when the students arrived and were told their proxy votes were invalid – unlike 100 proxies brought by Co-op management which were deemed valid... But on arrival at the AGM the students say they were told by board secretary Talal Yassine that the proxy votes Ergas had submitted the previous week were invalid.
While the student group just outnumbered the other people in the room, over 100 proxy votes brought by Co-op management were declared valid and counted.'
- 'He and the other students in Take Back Our Co-op believe the directors are paid too much money, and that the Co-op has potentially violated the Co-operatives National Law Act by not properly advising its two million members about the AGM.'
- 'In one fiery exchange during the meeting, Yassine told student Caitlin McMenamin: "I don't have to give you the reason [for the student proxies being ruled invalid].'
- 'Under Co-op regulations, only people who have spent five years in a management role at a medium to large sized business, and have also completed a tertiary degree, are eligible to stand for election to the board of directors. This rules out the vast majority of students.'
- 'Ergas also hit out at the AGM location in Kooindah Waters.
"It's bizarre and embarrassing for them to resort to such absurd tactics, like hosting the AGM in a central coast hotel," he said.
"It's just stunning. We're going to keep fighting. They haven't seen the last of us yet."' El-Baba (talk) 07:29, 3 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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