Talk:Te Korowai-o-Te-Tonga Peninsula

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On 14 September 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved to South Head, New Zealand. The result of the discussion was not moved.

Requested move 14 September 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. No consensus to move. Tada! Best, (closed by non-admin page mover) Reading of Beans 05:59, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Te Korowai-o-Te-Tonga Peninsula → South Head, New Zealand – Name is far more common in reliable sources and I would call the official name obscure and confusing given it is essentially only known as South Head. Further rationale/evidence below Traumnovelle (talk) 04:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC) [1] It is far more common in reliable sources: [2] with only two .co.nz websites using the term: [3] On scholar even 'South Head, New Zealand' has more than double the results than the official name: [4] [5] [6] Traumnovelle (talk) 04:17, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree the current name isn't likely to be known by many people, but there are lots of "South Head"s in New Zealand, and the article isn't about the South Head of Kaipara Harbour, but a substantial peninsula which includes the South Head. I therefore Oppose the requested move as given. I suggest Kaipara South peninsula or Kaipara South Head peninsula as possible names, but there will need to be a case made for one of those being the common name.-Gadfium (talk) 05:40, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

South Head is used to refer to the peninsula, even the article states that. I don't mind South Kaipara peninsula (which appears to be more common than all the others: [7] if disambiguation is considered necessary. South Head, New Zealand is already a redirect here so currently it is considered acceptable. South Head (Kaipara peninsula) is the least natural suggestion but probably the most precise, understandable, and recognisable. Traumnovelle (talk) 05:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - South Head is far too ambiguous and the sources cited do little to demonstrate the searches are referring to this location (I note that the first link mentions a movie and a rugby match as related searches). I also note that, looking at the map, South Head refers to both a town on the peninsula and a headland at its tip, so the new name is too ambiguous even when adding disambiguation. As for the other proposals, I don't see any reason to make up a name when the current one works perfectly fine. Turnagra (talk) 09:23, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

South Head is already a redirect here. The current name is just unknown, it is not recognisable and obscure. Traumnovelle (talk) 19:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We routinely do redirects from the name of a part of a feature when it's not notable enough for its own article - Corsair Bay redirects to Lyttelton Harbour, but we wouldn't rename the latter because of that. And you just not liking the current name isn't grounds for a move. Turnagra (talk) 21:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The lead states also known as South Head. It is not that I 'dislike' the title, it is obscure and unknown to most people. Titles should not be confusing/surprising to readers but instead use commonly recognisable names, this name has no recognisability. Traumnovelle (talk) 22:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The LINZ Gazetteer lists 10 features / localities in New Zealand with the name "South Head", so the proposed name is ambiguous and confusing, whereas the current name is completely unambiguous and not at all confusing. Paora (talk) 08:27, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.