Talk:Ten Talents (cookbook)

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Did you know... that Ten Talents, a 50-year-old vegetarian and vegan cookbook that is still in print, was the first to feature recipes for soy milk ice cream shakes?

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references needed[edit]

This cookbook is likely notable, but sources are not easy to find. I want ahead and moved to article space hoping to attract attention from editors who might have access to sources that aren't online. valereee (talk) 16:20, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An affiliated website (adventist books) says, "Ten Talents, first published in 1968, has been called "The perennial 'best-selling' vegetarian cookbook" and "the all-time classic vegetarian's Bible." Now in a new updated edition, this 2009 Silver Medal Award winner in the Living Now Book of the Year Awards Contest - Cooking/Natural category is back" here but I don't know how to assess those. valereee (talk) 16:26, 17 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Title[edit]

I've changed my mind about this (see Help desk, February 17). I think this article should move to plain Ten Talents, replacing the redirect, and a hatnote placed on it to guide anyone looking for the biblical article. "Ten Talents" is the name of this book, not the name of the parable (which has no definite name, being an untitled extract from St Matthew's Gospel).

Note also that "Ten Talents" as a redirect was receiving very few pageviews. Any other opinions?: Bhunacat10 (talk), 15:05, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy with moving to Ten Talents! valereee (talk) 16:38, 21 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

OK, move requested : Bhunacat10 (talk), 17:55, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My thinking would be to keep the current arrangement. I can see the rationale for moving; somehow it doesn't 'right right' to me. MaynardClark (talk) 00:59, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 24 February 2019[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 06:40, 4 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ten Talents (cookbook) → Ten Talents – At present Ten Talents is a little-used redirect. It is the actual title of the cookbook. A hatnote will be added after the move. See Talk:Ten Talents (cookbook)#Title : Bhunacat10 (talk), 17:52, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:36, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Bhunacat10: I have changed page Ten Talents into a disambiguation page. Many would say that the Biblical parable is more long-term noteworthy than a routine cookery book. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:39, 24 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Anthony Appleyard, are we sure "ten talents" is a common term for this bible parable? It seems to be called "five talents" and "parable of the talents" at least as often? valereee (talk) 01:42, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's not the question. The question is if people searching for Ten Talents will mean a specific cookbook, or a parable? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:59, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda Arendt, I think what you're saying is that anything with "talents" in it might cause a searcher to arrive at a page they weren't looking for, so that someone searching for the parable might put in "talents" or "five talents" or "ten talents", and if they use "ten talents" they'll arrive at this cookbook and be confused? valereee (talk) 11:33, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, see also further below. Even if a title is the first, that doesn't always mean it should be used. Example below. I believe the disambiguation (cookbook) is good, so oppose move. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That was a good move, much better known for the parable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 00:13, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose and inappropriate for a technical request. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:23, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
~~Support Involved editor. valereee (talk) 01:34, 25 February 2019 (UTC)~~ Confused valereee (talk) 11:38, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The target was previously a redirect to Parable of the talents or minas. Please restore the deleted redirect history under the disambiguation page history for Ten Talents, Anthony Appleyard. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 05:24, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@GeoffreyT2000: I have restored the old deleted edits of page Ten Talents. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:54, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what's being opposed or supported: the original proposal was not for a disambig page but to adopt the cookbook as primary topic for the title Ten Talents.

Let it be clear that this is not a tussle over whether a cookbook or a parable is the more "significant". It's simply a contention – which seemed to me obvious – that our article title Ten Talents belongs with the only topic we cover that has Ten Talents as its name: Bhunacat10 (talk), 10:19, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Let it be clear that this is wrong. Look at the first musical setting of some common text. The text should NOT be the article name, but point to where it comes from. A reader looking for the text will not be served by arriving at a specic composition setting it. (Example: Jauchzet dem Herrn, alle Welt from Psalm 100 vs. Jauchzet dem Herrn, alle Welt (Mendelssohn)) Similarly, a reader searching for the talents, just with the wrong number, should not arrive at a specific cookbook. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:51, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, so I'm not clear on what just happened, but I'm fine with 'Ten Talents' going to a dab. That what what I had originally requested help with as I figured it was a complicated enough set of moves that I'd break something and cause more work for someone else than just asking them to do it. If everyone else is happy, I am. valereee (talk) 12:23, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can we close this? valereee (talk) 12:01, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.