Talk:Terrapin Station
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Comment[edit]
Shouldn't there be a link somewhere on this page to terrapin? 68.39.16.147 (talk) 23:44, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
- maybe so. Is it ubiquitous enough that everyone knows what a terrapin is?
trivia[edit]
At least one vinyl pressing had the following handwritten text pressed into the vinyl between the song tracks and the label: "where's my stereo, Jer?". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.234.123.226 (talk) 21:35, 18 January 2011 (UTC) here's a ref, my memory was almost correct (another place and time, wish i still had the promotional material i got from the band): [1]
Nothing to do with the song[edit]
The following text, taken from the article has absolutely nothing to do with the Terrapin Station song:
"Rhythm guitarist Bob Weir's "Estimated Prophet" was written in septuple time. His lyrics for the song (finished with writing partner John Barlow) examine a character's delusions of grandeur and California's propensity for false prophets. The song also quotes "Ezekiel Saw the Wheel". Drummer Bill Kreutzmann said "It's a great song but when [Weir] brought it to us, something was off. It needed a groove. It was in quick 7
4 but it didn't swing. Yet. For my homework that night, I combined two fast sevens and played half-time over it. The two sevens brought the time around to an even number – the phrasing is in two bars of seven, so technically the time signature is in 14
8. But that's getting technical. In layman's terms, 'Estimated Prophet' suddenly grooved."
"Dancin' in the Streets" is a cover of Martha & the Vandellas' "Dancing in the Street" from the early days of the band, given a new arrangement that prominently features singer Donna Godchaux. For the studio version, a funk-influenced guitar figure was added to a four-on-the-floor disco beat and polished with a commercial production contemporary to the era. The highly orchestrated "Sunrise" was Donna's first singing-songwriting effort for the Grateful Dead. (She and band pianist Keith Godchaux had written the songs for their duo effort Keith & Donna two years prior, on Dead spin-off label Round Records.) The song has been acknowledged as a tribute to the band's recently deceased road manager, Rex Jackson, for whom the Dead's charitable Rex Foundation was later named.
Fortunately we had a chance to play [Estimated Prophet and Terrapin Part I] three times onstage and it made a huge difference ... Then we came back and we knew what the songs were about.
Bassist Phil Lesh's "Passenger" was inspired by Fleetwood Mac's "Station Man". The lyrics were written by ordained Buddhist monk Peter Zimels. However, as Lesh had stopped singing during this period due to vocal cord damage from improper singing technique, Weir and Donna Godchaux sang lead for both the recording and when it was later added to live set lists. Weir's "Samson & Delilah" was a new arrangement of Reverend Gary Davis's traditional song, retelling the story from the Tanakh. Weir had taken several guitar lessons from Davis at his Queens, New York, home prior to his death in 1972." 87.208.172.162 (talk) 18:21, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Track listing[edit]
@Elephantranges: I came to this article after seeing Template_talk:Track_listing#Removing_auto-quotes_from_track_titles. While the formatting for the multi-part song in side two is clever, it still won't work. On mobile view, the text in the title, writer(s) and length column wouldn't match up. I suggest using a regular table like the one seen in The_Atomic_Cafe#Track_listing to fix this problem. FunnyMath (talk) 05:57, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- Maybe we can also suggest that the template be edited. We have three articles (Terrapin Station, Foxtrot, and The Atomic Cafe) that can't use the track listing template properly. FunnyMath (talk) 09:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
I mean, possibly. I kinda despise the table format (have no idea why, I just find it kinda annoying to read through for some reason).
I would suggest the numbered list as being the best solution for this issue except for the fact that both Terrapin and Foxtrot kinda require the template due to having multiple other parameters listed (lead vocals, separate credits for lyrics and music, etc.) Not really a perfect solution either way imo. Elephantranges (talk) 17:19, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- I totally agree. I think the template looks nicer than the table. I forgot to say this, but I was the one who made the tables in The Atomic Cafe article. I wanted to use the template, but I couldn't include multiple tracks in one row (like 3a, 3b, 3c, etc.). I ended up just using a table because it gets the job done. A numbered list wouldn't work for me either because of the large amount of information per row. FunnyMath (talk) 17:47, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
@Elephantranges and FunnyMath: How about using a table, formatted like this? In my humble opinion it's pretty nice. 
| Side 1 | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| No. | Title | Writer(s) | Lead vocals | Length | |
| 1 | "Estimated Prophet" | John Perry Barlow, Bob Weir | Weir | 5:35 | |
| 2 | "Dancin' in the Streets" | William Stevenson, Marvin Gaye, I.J. Hunter | Weir | 3:30 | |
| 3 | "Title" | writer(s) | lead vocals | length | |
| 4 | "Title" | writer(s) | lead vocals | length | |
| 5 | "Title" | writer(s) | lead vocals | length | |
| Side 2 | |||||
| No. | Title | Writer(s) | Lead vocals | Length | |
| 1 | "Terrapin Part 1" | "Lady with a Fan" | Jerry Garcia, Robert Hunter | Garcia | 4:20 |
| "Terrapin Station" | Garcia, Hunter | Garcia | 2:12 | ||
| "Terrapin" | Garcia, Hunter | Garcia | 2:12 | ||
| "Title" | writer(s) | lead vocals | length | ||
| "Title" | writer(s) | lead vocals | length | ||
| "Title" | writer(s) | lead vocals | length | ||
| "Title" | writer(s) | lead vocals | length | ||
| 2006 reissue bonus tracks | |||||
| No. | Title | Writer(s) | Lead vocals | Length | |
| 7 | "Peggy-O" (instrumental studio outtake) | traditional, arranged by Grateful Dead | instrumental | 4:41 | |
| 8 | "The Ascent" (instrumental studio outtake) | Grateful Dead | instrumental | 1:59 | |
| 9 | "Title" | writer(s) | lead vocals | length | |
| 10 | "Title" | writer(s) | lead vocals | length | |
| 11 | "Title" | writer(s) | lead vocals | length | |
| 12 | "Title" | writer(s) | lead vocals | length | |
— Mudwater (Talk) 22:49, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
@Mudwater: works for me! Elephantranges (talk) 23:00, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- Here we go:
| Side one | |||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| No. | Title | Writer(s) | Lead vocals | Length | |
| 1 | "Estimated Prophet" | Weir | 5:35 | ||
| 2 | "Dancin' in the Streets" |
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3:30 | ||
| 3 | "Passenger" |
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2:48 | |
| 4 | "Samson & Delilah" | traditional (arranged by Weir) | Weir | 3:30 | |
| 5 | "Sunrise" | Donna Godchaux | D. Godchaux | 4:05 | |
| Side two | |||||
| No. | Title | Writer(s) | Lead vocals | Length | |
| 1 | "Terrapin Part 1" (total length: 16:23) |
"Lady with a Fan" | Garcia | 4:20 | |
| "Terrapin Station" |
|
Garcia | 2:12 | ||
| "Terrapin" |
|
Garcia | 2:12 | ||
| "Terrapin Transit" | instrumental | 0:35 | |||
| "At a Siding" |
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Garcia | 1:43 | ||
| "Terrapin Flyer" |
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instrumental | 2:56 | ||
| "Refrain" | Garcia | The English Choral | 2:18 | ||
| 2006 reissue bonus tracks | |||||
| No. | Title | Writer(s) | Lead vocals | Length | |
| 7 | "Peggy-O" (instrumental studio outtake) | traditional (arranged by Grateful Dead) | instrumental | 4:41 | |
| 8 | "The Ascent" (instrumental studio outtake) | Grateful Dead | instrumental | 1:59 | |
| 9 | "Catfish John" (studio outtake) | Garcia | 4:43 | ||
| 10 | "Equinox" (studio outtake) | Lesh | Garcia | 5:15 | |
| 11 | "Fire on the Mountain" (studio outtake) |
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Garcia | 6:26 | |
| 12 | "Dancin' in the Streets" (live on May 8, 1977) |
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16:17 | |
Elephantranges (talk) 23:56, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
- @Elephantranges: I like it a lot. Although, according to Terrapin_Part_1#Structure, "Terrapin" -- the third sub-track of "Terrapin Part 1" -- is instrumental. I got that wrong when I posted the partially completed example. — Mudwater (Talk) 00:05, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
@Mudwater: didn’t even notice that! Lmao, I have no idea how to make these kinda of charts, so I had just filled out the rest of the example you posted. Elephantranges (talk) 00:08, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
- kind of Elephantranges (talk) 00:08, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
@Mudwater: I read this conversation a while ago, but I figure it's best to let you know. The table formatting looks great, and it helped inspire the new tables seen in The_Atomic_Cafe#Track_listing. Thanks for your work! FunnyMath (talk) 00:15, 4 March 2023 (UTC)