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This page is quite helpful to those studying terrorism. However, it should be more rigorous, detailed, and referenced. It needs review by experts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.71.203.161 (talk) 20:53, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Complaint

This is a really shameful page. You make India look like this evil country, like its one of those Communistic or demorcratic country. Every country in the world has some form of corruption. Bust most of the conflicts you mention from places like Assam, Punjab, Manipur, these are all things that are started by hardcore fanatic terrorist groups.

  • Then please, add your information on these hardcore fanatic terrorist groups into the article, because that's what it's all about. We do not try to make countries look bad, but instead we try to keep a Neutral Point Of View. Edit it to try to make it more NPOV. Thanks. PeregrineAY 00:42, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
  • Well this intro sentence caught my eye:

"The perpetrators of terrorism have been members of armed opposition groups as well as state agencies." State agencies?? What state agencies? Where is your proof? Where is the substantification of such a bold claim? Are you implying that the India government is secretly fomenting terrorism on it's own soil? Wow! They're really smart. I only wish they were that competent to do anything right! If you're implying that the Pakistani ISI (a state agency) is involved, then please mention so specifically. Bear in mind that there is little concrete evidence to suggest such a thing (they're sly devils, that bunch). You should mention that to maintain NPOV. I'll edit it accordingly for now. If you want to make changes, reply to this post and explain why. Subhash Bose

I had to revert a copyvio that included unattributed text from at least two external sources:

There may be more, I gave up after finding two. Rl 17:31, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

I appreciate the fact that you are so much concerned about copyvios. But one advise, It would have been better if you could also contribute apart from reverting the works done by me. --IncMan 15:42, Jun 10, 2005 (UTC)
I would really appreciate if people like you didn't make me waste my time tracking down copyvios. Thank you so much. Rl 16:36, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Well, if gathering information from some sites is a copyright violation, then prehaps only God can help you. --IncMan 12:02, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)
Bold words for someone who tried to create featured articles by lifting material from BBC articles. You know very well that I was talking about literal copying, not the gathering of information. Rl 12:39, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I see no wrong in doing that. Both the articles, Terrorism in India and Terrorism in Kashmir, no longer contain any such material copyied from any source. --IncMan 13:46, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

"Issues"

The following statements are very POV

  • They feared that NSCN would propel insurgent activities in its state and hence demanded New Delhi to wipe them out instead of appeasing them.
  • In the late 1980s, indigenous assamese movements demanded the withdrawal of the Bengali people who had infiltrated into Assam from neighbouring Bangladesh.
  • The detoriating situation compelled New Delhi to intervene, following which it deployed troops along the Indo-Bangla border to check on illegal infiltration.
  • However, human rights activists constantly blame New Delhi for adopting extremely harsh methods in dealing with these insurgents.
  • The comment Assam remains the only state in the northeast where terrorism is still a major issue. Indian military was sucessfull in dismantling terrorist outfits in other areas. However, human rights activists constantly blame New Delhi for adopting extremely harsh methods in dealing with these insurgents. belongs in the Assam section.

A lot of this information seems supect...freestylefrappe 21:03, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

The above mentioned statements are facts and facts are not necessarily neutral. Mentioning facts in an encylopedia is more important than maintaining neutrality. However, the language in which these sentences are written can be changed to suit all. Providing apporiate sources for all the info in the article is a pending task and I will do that once I get the time to do so. To end, please sign yr messages by typing ~~~~. Thanks --IncMan 06:50, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
sorry I forgot to sign my Username. You cant seriously call "infiltrating" an NPOV fact. ill try to maintain factual accuracy and neutrality but some of this may need to be cut. freestylefrappe 21:03, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)
Made appropriate changes. freestylefrappe 04:39, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)
Thousands of Bangladeshis enter Indian territory w/o Indian govt's approval. Such people are called as infiltrators and the usage of the term "infiltration" is justified in my eyes. If you still object its neutrality, please suggest a better alternative. Please go ahead and make necessary changes. Thanks. --IncMan June 28, 2005 11:47 (UTC)

Renaming

Should this article not be renamed as to comply with WP:WTA. One solution might be Ongoing insurgencies in India.

Bagande 15:46, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Gujarat/maharashtra

Is there no mention of the Paschim Hindustani terror? It has been the most prevalent recently, and the biggest in the country? Gujarat, Maharashtra, Rajasthan, though no Goa that I can recall. Madhya/Chattisgarh? Former isn't really with big explosions, but Indore has come up in investigation, perhaps Bhopal too. And the latter has enough naxalite problems. (i suppose reason enough MP let it go) Lihaas (talk) 11:52, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

orissa terrorism

what about orissa Terrorism.? Mahathma Gandhi was murdered by Fundamental Terrorist! In orissa Social Worker Australian Fr.Staien and his two sons were killed by Fundamental terrorist.And Raping,house destroying and killing the Christians and innocent tribal pwople in orriss by Terrorist! weapons like long Trisul knives used by Bajrang dal. ie. their party's own symble. Some of fundamental terrorist join hands with Isreal terrorist Meir Kahane groups and organised from America by internet sites. . I appreciated the Indian Govt. and Who investigated this. some years ago, some of Army men wearing the Relegious symbol on their Forehead for Identification. But our Indian Govt. banned that one immedialy. infuture i.b. watch the terrorist groups in India and indian Army at the point of recuiruting itself. This Group wants to bring the Nazist Nationalism in india by Violents. but it is waste of time and vain.Nobody can achieve this one. We almost all peace loving people. We follow the Mahama Gandhi"s Ahimsa way only. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.246.255.191 (talk) 17:16, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

factual accuracy is disputed.

There are no worthy citations that can back the article. Please consider bringing facts with reverent citations. --Swaminworld (talk) 10:59, 12 March 2010 (UTC)


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Pro-Indian Bias

This article seems to be a press release of Indian Government. There is a need to balance this article.

Hundreds of thousands people have died in these conflicts. These conflicts cannot be classified as low intensity. Thousands of Sikhs were killed in a day after the assassination of Indian Prime Minister, Indira Priyadarshini Gandhi. These articles are showing contempt towards the innocent civilians who were killed by terrorists.

How terrorism in India can be classified as low intensity? Two Indian Prime Ministers were killed in terrorism related incidents by Indian homegrown terrorists. These terrorists were not Muslims.

Maakhter 04:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

And wow, what an utterly useless post. Your knowledge of India is limited if you think this is a 'pro' india article. I will make a wild guess that your are pakistani. BTW, India has long considered that pakistan supported the Khalistan movement, which ended right after the kashmir militancy began. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.177.17.193 (talk) 17:46, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

This page needs to remain factual, and favor nor disfavor any sides. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.9.177.66 (talk) 18:11, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Let the facts speak

The MIPT Terrorism Knowledge Base should help clear up some of the disputes and controversies on this page. Here's a list of terrorist incidents that took place in India between January 1, 2000, and July 27, 2006. I'd say there were quite a few.

-Patrick — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.152.1.22 (talk) 16:52, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Attack on Akshardham Temple in Gandhinagar

There was an attack on September 25, 2002 in the Akshardham Temle Complex in Gandhinagar, the capital city of Gujarat. This was at around 4.30 p.m. in the evening. Nearly 30 peoplr were killed. Nearly 50 people were trapped by the atackers. The rescue operation lasted for nearly 12 hours and endee in the next early morning. The details can also be seen at the link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akshardham_Temple_attack —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.196.102.146 (talk) 12:22, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

'Terrorism means the policy of striking terror in the minds of the people by violent methods to achieve some ends. It is a law of the jungle to use muscle power and force to get things done. It is a barbarian act. Of late, terrorism has become the order of the day. People who are disgruntled and who are unable to get their desires fulfilled by normal and accepted methods in society are resorting to terrorism. Some othe4r causes for which terrorism is resorted to may be genuine like a protest from people to come out of bondage or fight for freedom. Even such causes do not support terrorism, when there are other channels and methods to solve the problem. Terrorism has now become an international phenomenon. There are terrorists in developed and advanced countries as well as developing countries like India. We must find out the reasons for emergence of terrorism. There has been exploitation of the weak and the poor for centuries by the rich and the powerful. All representations and appeals of non-violent nature failed to yield any response. Hence the frustrated and the oppressed resort to violence as there is no other alternative. Such protests are also called terrorist activities. There is another type, that is, where one uses force on the weak to gain his ends; sit may be to serve the cause of a religion, a language or to establish a new pattern of government. The communist movements which resort to force, and the armed protests which Netaji subhas Chandra Bose led, in the name of eh Indian National Army (I.N.A) cannot be termed as terrorist activities. Protests like Khalistan Movement carried on earlier in Punjab, the armed protest marches of Assam and the L.T.T.E. Movement of Sri Lanka are not justifiable movements. They could always use other forums of a non-violent nature if they have any grievances to be redressed. The hijacking of the Indian Airlines Plane in December 1999 is also another ugly face of terrorism. The worst type of terrorism was that of Idi Amin of Uganda who let loose terrorism in his country to serve his personal ends. Whether terrorism is justified or not, it has of late become the normal method for achieving one’s ends.'Bold text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.184.184.85 (talk) 12:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Terrorism is something which all over the world is a major problem at the moment.Its effects are very much that it can detoriate a country's economy and can cause between the countries.Terrorists were not born but they were made in the name of religion.None of the religion preaches terrorism nor ask the followers to take the lives of other people but it was preached by worng leaders and innocent people fall as a prey and lose their lives and kill other people as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.184.184.85 (talk) 12:08, 24 February 2012 (UTC) Sikhs are not terrorists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.16.76.23 (talk) 01:00, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

Introduction

I think it would be better this way:" external terrorism emerges from neighbouring countries and internal terrorism emulates from religious or communal violence and Naxalite–Maoist insurgency. Terror activities involve either Indian or foreign citizens." Huiva (talk) 21:36, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Latest addition

I understand that this edit was made in a haste after it was mentioned on a AfD discussion that there are no entries for some terror acts in this article. The new section that was introduced is not in sync with the main section under which it is mentioned. The intro of the section "Terror groups in India" mentions something about the number of terror groups and suddenly you introduce "Alleged right-wing terror groups" where no terror groups are mentioned but said that alleged members have been accused. And then the events are mentioned. I suggest we put those events where they belong, for example the Malegaon blast be placed under Maharashtra section. I don't understand this special treatment for those 4 events. Also I am not sure if there was any previous consensus on this page about the inclusion/exclusion of terror acts -sarvajna (talk) 14:34, 16 December 2014 (UTC)

It is an undue laundry list of allegations. Bladesmulti (talk) 15:00, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
what do you propose? -sarvajna (talk) 15:03, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Definition and just a sentence where we can define that there are some allegations, don't have to name all though. Bladesmulti (talk) 15:06, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Sounds good to me, make be we can wait for some time before we make the changes. -sarvajna (talk) 15:13, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Read this after making changes. The wording sounded funny to me, as well. They are labeled as "Hindu nationalist" groups, and therefore we needn't get into whether they are "right-wing" or "left-wing", always a controversial topic (but because they are nationalistic, right-wing clearly suspected, but may not be terribly germane to topic, anyway). There are "38 groups" mentioned listed in 1967, but only one here. I don't know that I want to see all 38, most of which are probably defunct by now, but maybe should remove quantity. It probably changes anyway. Student7 (talk) 19:09, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Not sure what happened. Cited material was deleted. I don't remember that we were discussing those. Student7 (talk) 23:40, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
We don't keep the laundry list of allegations that is not even supported by the provided book citation. It was added without any discussion and it has been removed after a proper discussion. Bladesmulti (talk) 23:55, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
Here was the material:
"
Main article: Saffron terror

Members of Hindu-nationalist Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), Abhinav Bharat and other Hindu-extremists organizations, have been accused of perpetrating terrorism.[1] The following were traced to acts of Hindu-extremists organizations:

First, I don't see a discussion of anything above that I didn't already edit, nor do I see discussion that relates to this material at all. (I was not the implementing editor)
All appear to be true. The main article is Saffron terror, as stated.
All events listed were triggered by Indian nationalist/Hindu groups.
Since we have not held a discussion, what events are you saying didn't happen? What events are you saying were triggered by some other group?
Are you saying that the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh is a political discussion group? Or that the group doesn't exist?
We've haven't had a discussion. Let's have one.
Are you saying that the Indian Express is not a WP:RS? Student7 (talk) 01:47, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
We don't keep allegations in a single separate section, nor we keep media/political allegations. Rest of the article has no such dispute. This section was included when multiple users on the AFD of Saffron Terror had said that this term don't even deserve a place in Terrorism in India. But one of the new disruptive editor still added who had made no edits outside that AFD. Bladesmulti (talk) 03:17, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Christophe Jaffrelot (29 January 2009). "A running thread of deep saffron". Indian Express. Retrieved 2014-11-17.

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