Talk:The Almost

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EMO or What?

I think the band is Emo Stating that most websites call the The Almost a Emo or punk side project of Underoath. And the band is emo influnce.

No, sorry. You may want to read the Emo (music) article before you tag any band with a whiny voice emo. Also, consider all the other "Emo" bands you know of. If you notice, the majority of their Wikipedia pages do not list them as emo. Radar123 02:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

i kind of agree with both of you i mean there are alot of websites that say there emo and in away they are but only like some songs there emo. I would go with whats the Genre say i would say there More Punk/Alternative/hard rock/ but no to much emo. but i would see why alot of people think there Emo.

Just because a website says they are Emo, doesn't mean they are. Just because thirty websites say it, doesn't mean they are. They are alternative rock. Emo is more of a lyrical style (also a musical style) but The Almost is neither. IronCrow 04:29, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

They are not alternative rock. alternative rock means "instead of rock'n roll" its slower and quieter. the bands in that genre include Jimmy eat world, Snow Patrol, Sunny Day Real Estate, Muse, Travis, Kill hannah and Fugazi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.65.47 (talk) 16:53, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

well its kind of hard to say if there Emo or no iam i know there Raw band to be Punk rock and hard rock but Emo iam no sure but i guess i would say emo.

i would have to say they are the average "emo" band. most of the music sounds the same when it comes to emotional music. I, myself, have the cd and all their songs are typical.

Well me myself the only reson why i put them as Emo was becuase many websites called them Emo side project of underoath. But There More Punk Rock
Hard Rock
Alternative rock. User:Skateremorocker

DUDE! THEY ARE NOT FUCKING EMO!!!!!! This is a side project (more punk wise) of a CHRISTIAN band.... SO STOP FUCKING SAYING EMO!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.217.10.10 (talk) 12:33, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it says that they are Alternative ccm and I don't know any emo christians and emo just means emotional.

Salt Lake City

Why are they listed as from Salt Lake City when they are from Florida? Thesaddestday 21:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

There PureVolume says Salt Lake City, Utah. -- GoDawgs 03:36, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah nevermind. I know Jay and had a chance to talk to him for the first time in like a year when they were around for Warped Tour. He explained Aaron used to live in SLC and that is where they originally started, though they all live in FLA now. Thesaddestday 02:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

yeh look at they're picctures and they're music videos and the basic theme of their album.does it seem like salt lake city or does it seem like florida?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.44.88.222 (talk) 18:32, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

THEY ARE NOT EMO!

THE ALMOST IS NOT AN EMO BAND. THEY ARE A POP PUNK BAND. IF YOU REALLY THINK THEY'RE AN EMO BAND, THAN LISTEN TO FUNERAL DINER, THEY ARE PURE EMO, OR AT LEAST READ THE EMO PAGE; THEN DECIDE FOR YOURSELF AND QUIT BUGGING PEOPLE ABOUT IT! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.178.120.88 (talk) 20:13, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I Agree...

They're not emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.219.72.243 (talk) 08:43, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

yes,i agree they are post-hardcore(kinda),but more hard rock.the source of allmusic is unreliable and on the allmusic page it doesn't even have emo as one of their genres.it says 'emo side project',but not as a genre--Nirvanarox55 (talk) 10:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

yup

It just seems that a modern rock band can't be just listed as one genre... They aren't emo dammit, Just because they have heavyish music, long hair (it's orange, not black for goodness sake), and tight (BLUE) jeans doesn't account for anything... 750hgn1md4 (talk) 10:17, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Bro just because they don't dress like emo people or other emo band doesn't mean there not Emo Rock. So just chill out and they have a relibale souce that says they are emo. I mean ya there more like Punk meet post grunge, but thats just what i think. To me Jimmy Eat World, The Classic Crime, Sunny day Restate, Taking Back Sunday, and Red Jumpsuit Apparatus more emoish bands. but honestly The Almost is kind of Emo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.247.22.140 (talk) 01:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Proof

Yes I got proof. 1.He was found by Underoath playing in his church. 2.He grew up in a Christian family and he was a devote christian or something. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.70.65 (talk) 04:29, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

christian post hardcore

seriously, these arent a christian band some of the band are christians, but they are not a christian band. As dustin kensrue said once, would a tomatoe made by a christian be a christian tomatoe? no, it would be a tomatoe by a christian. Now they have a song called "amazing because it is" but such moments are few with this band, and a christian band wouldnt have a song like "yule be sorry" which has kenny on it, who is highly anti-christian i believe, as for the post hardcore bit, there is nothing hardcore about them in their influences, its like calling a band with no rock elements punk rock.

Christian punk? well they are not a christian band and even if their songs were somewhat punk, they are not religious songs apart from one or two as i mentioned before, but thats a slow song. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.65.47 (talk) 23:23, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Well that first thing was true but that just COULD mean that they aren't strictly christian music and ether way their still a band whos job is to make good music that people listen to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.146.211 (talk) 16:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

The band and Christianity

Aaron Gillespie, the founder of The Almost, is a born again Christian who is the only original member of Underoath, which is a Christian metalcore band. The band 'the Almost' might not be a Christian band 'per se'. Many Christian's either don't want their faith to be considered a genre, some don't mind Christian being a Genre or an adjective to a genre like Punk or Rock. And, some Christians don't want to be labeled Christian, because they feel that non-Christians won't listen because of a Christian Music stigma and their positive Christian-influenced message won't be heard. SOME MIGHT EVEN BE AMBIGUOUS AS TO RATHER THEY ARE CHRISTIAN OR NOT, SO THESE CONVERSATIONS WILL COME UP AND THEIR CHRISTIANITY AND CHRIST WILL BE DISCUSSED. Who knows? So, why Gillespie, a Christian, does not label his band a Christian band is not sourced anyware on the internet, so until he addresses it and says one way or another: WHO CARES! Just enjoy the music.

I say we leave Christian rock in the genres until prooven otherwise. Fair enough=]

How about we leave genre with only source on them. Fair Enough. and i know aaron's a christian but how do you know he's a born agian christian you have a source to back that up.User:Rockismorethanmusic

Yes I do have a sorce that prooves he is a Christian, well actually a few reason. 1. In a interview with Air1 radio he stated that he is a christian. 2. Underoath found him playing in his church. And I have a few more but I think that's enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.146.211 (talk) 18:16, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

In response to the removal of the Christian rock genre from the band The Almost, here are several sources disputing that removal. [1], [2], and [3]. I am going to add this genre again. ElisaENTiCiNG (talk) 12:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Do they sell in christian retail stores? Mr. Green^{Hit Me Up} 16:06, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes they do and I've seen Sothern weather in christian book stores. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.76.43 (talk) 20:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

i think everyone on here who says they arent christian is stupid, they ARE a christian band!! End of discussion! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.248.50.118 (talk) 14:13, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Considering Aaron says swear words in some of the songs in fear caller (their latest album) Miranda lass (talk) 17:12, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Performance-based Christianity is only one, small side of evangelicalism. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:12, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Rediculous genre's

Ok who's bright Idea was it to remove Christian rock and Punk rock?We already discussed the Christian genre matter but even if they weren't Christian why remove Punk rock and that?Not to bright to me so I'm reverting it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.148.39 (talk) 20:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok Then genre for this band has been change so many time i'm getting sick of it now. The Real genre is Emo, Alternative Rock, Pop punk, Post Grunge, and i guess Post Hardcore. Now Punk rock, Christian punk, I have found no sources for. And the fact that this band is very popular in the secular rock secen means that their not really christian punk. So unless you have a source don't chnage the genre. Thank you.Skateremorocker (talk) 12:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Southern Weather Music Video

In the Southern Weather music video it shows a guy talking with long blonde hair. That guy was on Trading Spouses. I thought that that may be worth mentioning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sciterzlawlz (talk • contribs) 05:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Christian

I have already provided three sources proving this band is Christian, not to mention they did a cover of Amazing Grace, obviously a Christian hymn. If someone wants to remove this genre again, I strongly suggest you take it to an admin, as it is removal of pertinent content. Maybe they can help you. I am putting this source back up. elisa^talk. 14:41, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Proving they are Christians has nothing to do with their genre. You are trying to put it in the info box with the genres. If you find an article stating a band are Mormons are you going to add 'Mormon rock' to the infobox? If you want Christian rock up there find a review from a reliable source that says they are Christian rock, if not stop adding it. I know from looking over your previous history your big thing is edit warring, personal attacks, sock puppetry, etc. Please try and remain civil during this discussion. Landon1980 (talk) 15:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

I do not know this band, but the three sources Elisa (correctly) provided actually do confirm that they can be labeled Christian rock. In fact, founder Gillespie completely agreed with this in an interview with CCM Magazine, see here (page 2). I quote:
There’s no sense in trying to be anything other than a “Christian band,” since Underoath proudly carries that moniker, and it falls naturally on The Almost. “I’m a Christian guy,” says Gillespie, “and I’m in a Christian band. That’s who I am; I’m in a Christian rock & roll band. People ask if that’s pigeonholing yourself. I’m not into compartmentalizing or alienating people, obviously, but I think that God meant for us to be all things to all people and to tell people who we are as Christians. I’m a Christian, and my life should always reflect who I am, so why shouldn’t my music reflect that?”
What do you think? Cheers, Face 21:13, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, Landon, I do not find your mention about Elisa's past very usefull in this context. WP:AGF, perhaps? Cheers, Face 21:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The best predictor of future behavior is past. She went as far as making death threats Excuse me, she threatened bodily harm. She also used sock puppets during her block. Please read overWP:RS "reliable, third-party, published sources." You need a reliable source that says their genre is 'Christian rock' 'Christian band' means they are Christians, 'Christian' is not a genre alone. I think that in this case, being you all can't find a source it is best we make a Christian faith section. Landon1980 (talk) 03:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

How about his You may put a page on the article about Aaron being a christian in band him saying that he's says the band is christian. But putting to the genre No. It's Almost like Underoath mostly everyone in the band is christian, but the band say they are a reagular Hardcore secular band just with christian memebersSkateremorocker (talk) 15:23, 20 June 2008 (UTC).

But unlike underoath there are christian theme's in the lyrics.If you don't belive me watch the music video for sothern wether. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.75.4 (talk) 21:56, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok I understand what your saying about i've seen their music video on MTV millons of times, and yes i did the see what your talking about, but i've seen none christian bands have pictures of jesus. Does that make them a christian band? no. so yes their is a christian backround in the band but their no need to put it on the genre.Skateremorocker (talk) 23:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

But if the lyrics have christian values in them that makes it a christian song and their lyrics have christian values in them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.75.4 (talk) 18:19, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

And I read CCM magazine too and I saw what they said and they basicly said their lyrics do have christian content and aren't people trying to make wikipedia more reliable a sorce.Well your making it unreliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.75.4 (talk) 18:25, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Now face needs to add his reffrence to the page and we'll have a sorce to christian rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.75.4 (talk) 18:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realize that my past accusations would be brought into this. All I did was provide pertinent info, and I get slammed? Landon, if this is the way I'm treated after my first edit after two months, then I'm done. This is absolutely ridiculous. I never made any death threats, let alone threaten physical harm. Anyways, the source that Face provided does, in fact, state that a band member himself labels the band as a Christian rock and roll band. I need no further evidence, the genre is going back up. elisa^talk. 16:17, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

In addition, this band is about as emo as Michael Jackson. elisa^talk. 16:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Please see WP:RS Notice the third party part. Are you sure you never threatened anyone? Landon1980 (talk) 16:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Landon, for the last time. Please refrain from bringing prior, unproved incidents into editing. Thank you. I just want to edit Wiki in peace. Is that too much to ask? elisa^talk. 14:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Unproved? If if that is the case I apologize. My memory must have failed me, I thought a checkuser confirmed you were using multiple sock puppets abusively including the one that threatened the user that you were in a dispute with. I'm too lazy to go back and look, but if I am wrong about that I truly am sorry. You can see why I thought that, the user that was threatened was in a content dispute with you at the time. Landon1980 (talk) 18:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Landon, I have asked you several times to stop. Please. I'm done. It's people like you that make me want to quit editing for good. I just want to edit the encyclopedia, preferably without stupid arguments like this. elisa^talk. 15:10, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Elisa, I don't know what "editing" you have done. More than 3/4 of your edits are in the user talk namespace. You treat Wikipedia like MySpace, and then you complain that no one takes you seriously. You can't use the "I'll stop editing" threat if you never edit anything in the first place. If you want people to take you seriously, then stop making your user page look like a MySpace profile and contribute to the encyclopedia. Edit warring and arguing with people about trivial things like this isn't helping. Please, if you plan on staying on Wikipedia, give yourself something to show for it, because at the moment I don't think any of us would miss you if you left. Sorry if that came out really harsh, but that's life, get used to it.

As for the sources, I'm afraid Landon is right in this case, none of them specifically label the band as "Christian rock". They only call the band Christian because Aaron Gillespie is in it. A Christian faith section would probably be a good idea. Or, even better, a Musical styles and influences, since their genre is debated as well. Why not kill two birds with one stone? Cheers. — ^FatalError 18:40, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, first of all, since I have been unblocked, I have made 3 edits to talk pages, only to let my adopters know that I was finally back and ready to start editing after a 2 month block. Look at my contribs, and you'll see that my editing skips from May 6th to June 14th. That generally happens when you can't edit. Of course, if you had looked at my recent contribs instead of accusing me right off, you would have seen that. Second, I have never used your "I'll stop editing" threat, I just said it's stuff like this that makes me wanna quit. Third, I haven't edited my userpage in God knows how long; it was a waste of time and I quit. I also don't see you harassing other editors about their userpages.... And I have no idea where you're getting the edit warring. I haven't undone or reverted a single edit since I've been unblocked. Although, I do seem to remember noticing you yourself was recently involved in an edit war....As for the arguing, I am quite obviously not the one that started it. I've been trying to end it, if you haven't noticed. Oh, by the way, I'm sorry I haven't been contributing heavily. I've been really busy, and can't get on hardly at all. It's not my fault I can't edit constantly.

As for the sources, I don't understand how this quote from the first source doesn't say they are Christian: 'And what does Gillespie have to say when asked if The Almost is a Christian hardcore Band? “I’m a Christian guy,” says Gillespie, “and I’m in a Christian band.”' Or this stat, from the second source: "and reaching the pinnacle on the Christian Albums list." I really don't understand how there is proof against the Christianity of this band. elisa^talk. 18:47, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I was involved in an edit war. See how easy that was, at east I will admit to my mistakes. None of the "my brother did it" You still lying about everything when it has been proven just looks bad on you. You are the one that comes here and keeps replying to this. I would have dropped it a long time ago. You are now on the Underoath article trying to further that dispute even though it has been settled. What exactly do you get out of being in disputes? Landon1980 (talk) 19:13, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Never mind, I thought you were referring to me being in an edit war, I didn't click the link. Elisa, we all make mistakes we are all human. I have no desire to edit war with you, or give you a hard time. If you want to make a Christian faith section, or a musical styles section and talk about their Christianity that is more than fine with me. I'm sorry if I assumed bad faith regarding you, but you really have gave no reason for me to think different. Why don't you start editing the encyclopedia instead of arguing on talk pages, it is much less stressful that way :). I'm sorry if I've upset you, or if you feel I am hindering you from editing. Have a good day, Landon1980 (talk) 19:42, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Elisa, I never said anything about your block. In fact, I was referring to the edits before your block. And even after, I've only seen you argue with people on article talk pages, with few actual edits. My point is that your arguing isn't getting you or Wikipedia anywhere. I realize that you don't have all the time in the world, none of us do, but you could be using the time you have to actually contribute instead of debating about trivial things that don't need to be debated about. Yes, I've been in an edit war, the majority of Wikipedians have, but I've learned from that and moved on. I realize I wasn't exactly fair in my last comment, since you just came out of a two-month block, so I take back most of what I said. If you are willing to change, I am willing to let you. Show me and the rest of the community that you are willing.

Oh, and by the way, if you had to deal with USEDfan, you'd have edit warred with him as well. ;) Cheers. — ^FatalError 06:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

But Aron is the lead singer/song writer for the band and he's christian and there are christian lyrics in songs of theres.I'll come back with a list in a few minutes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.73.170 (talk) 21:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I found 5 out of 11 of there songs which is almost half and almost more than half at the same time.So if they have 5 christian songs that is making them a christian rock band. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.73.170 (talk) 21:27, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

And could somone tell me ow to cite my recorces so I can stop getting messages from people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.73.170 (talk) 00:46, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

You can view the code on this page, paying attention to some of the existing references or simply go to WP:REF if you need more help. However, in doing so, make sure that your sources are reliable. Message me on my talk page if you need more help because technically this response does not belong here. ŁittleÄlien¹⁸² (_talk\^contribs) 00:55, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok I got a recorce saying they are a christian rock band right here [4].

This reference doesn't mention "christian rock" or even "Christian" for that matter. Can you please explain your rationale? ŁittleÄlien¹⁸² (_talk\^contribs) 01:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

But the reffrence says Alternative CCM which means Alternative Contemporary Christian Music and Alternative CCM is just another name for Christian alternative rock and you people are already saying they are alternative rock and all music isn't even a christian website.So just put it back up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.73.170 (talk) 19:31, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Why the same reffrence that said alternative rock and emo said alternative ccm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.73.170 (talk) 19:39, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. I guess if we are going to be consistent, we should allow Christian CCM. However, I would warn against using Allmusic as the ultimate authority for deciding a band's genre. The website is good in terms of breadth, covering all possible styles that a band may incorporate, but it fails to identify the styles that most accurately describe a band. For example, a grunge band that has alternative pop/rock undertones, will have both "grunge" and "alternative pop/rock" styles listed on Allmusic, without showing any preference to the dominant or prevailing style. I guess my point here is that the Allmusic "styles" list is meant to be all-encompassing, but does not always give an accurate description of the bands genre. Oh, and in case you were curious, the band I'm referring to in my example is Nirvana. ŁittleÄlien¹⁸² (_talk\^contribs) 21:26, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

all the Members Christian?

are they? 76.2.234.127 (talk) 16:33, 5 July 2008 (UTC)Legakis

They are cause they all came from christian bands and if they weren't they wouldn't have joined another one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.73.170 (talk) 21:08, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

This point doesn't really have any bearing on the genre of the band. It is entirely possibly for a group of Christian musicians to form a non-Christian rock band. The more important issue is whether or not their musical content is Christian enough to render them a Christian rock band. In the previous thread you mentioned that 5 of 11 of their songs have Christian content, but you failed to specify just exactly what this content is. Please elaborate and then, perhaps, we can come to some general consensus on this issue. ŁittleÄlien¹⁸² (_talk\^contribs) 00:28, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

But we already sorced it for the same sorce as the other genre's and it is a valid genre but I'f you've just got to have a list I'll get you one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.29.32.32 (talk) 04:13, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Stop reverting the genre's.We already sorced Alternative CCM so you can't remove it.Saying that is unreliable is like saying there not alternative rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.121.51.138 (talk) 19:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

If you people don't stop reverting the genres without discussion I will remove all genres altogether. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.121.51.138 (talk) 17:21, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Please stop making threats. It violates Wikipedia's policy of civility. ŁittleÄlien¹⁸² (_talk\^contribs) 17:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

And you will be blocked for doing so, so have at it. Landon1980 (talk) 14:31, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

discography:Demos,Singles and EPs and Singles

the singles have they're own module but they are also lumped in with demo's and EPs(in which Southern Weather (song) isn't mentioned).

could someone do something about this?--Nirvanarox55 (talk) 18:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

screaming

do the almost scream at all

No The Almost dosen't scream. If anything from their past album Southren Weather, Aaron Did do a bit of yelling, but thats not like Underoath, or A Day To Remember type of screaming. Will they be screaming in their next album. I don't think so. I could be wrong. I personly think they will keep the same Pop Punk sound, with a heavy sound added in.User:skateremorocker —Preceding undated comment added 01:12, 27 February 2009 (UTC).

Indie Rock?

Just give me one good reason why these guys are indie —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.56.160.155 (talk) 04:24, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

The Used?

Why are they listed as an Associated act?

Removed. Not sure why they were added in the first place. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:20, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

They did tour with The Used after recording Monster, Monster. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.91.89.53 (talk) 00:57, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Not enough per the template. One tour doesn't make an association. See {{Infobox musical artist}} : "This field is for professional relationships with other musicians or bands that are significant and notable to this artist's career." --Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:21, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment

The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:The Almost/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.

Stop editing the members section, Aaron Gillespie didn't say if those people are going to be on any future studio albums. I know they started out as the live band but it says on his myspace and purevolume page that those are the memebers so please don't delete it until he says it himself.

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It's 2019 and The Almost is no longer "Christian "

I've seen a previous discussion on this matter but it is over 10 years old. It is now 2019 and The Almost has abandoned the Christian part of their music.

In the Spring of this year, Underoath released new music but with a big difference: the use of explicit lyrics.

In an interview, Aaron and Spencer talked about walking away and Aaron especially said that they were not Christian, even though they had song(s) that said "Jesus". The Almost seems the same way, leaving the Christian title for a mainstream one.

Therefore, the "Christian" title should be removed from their genre. JayPhreak (talk) 13:50, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

• Note: in the first release in a long time, The Almost's song "Chokehold" uses the lyric "godd*mn". This is not a Christian band anymore. JayPhreak (talk) 13:54, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Your source is lacking and I'm glad that one word doesn't cause someone to be (or not to be) God-dammed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 19:52, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

Look at the lyrics of their song "Life." Aside from the language (he says "shit"), the lyrics make it pretty clear that Aaron has renounced his Christian faith he once had. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecmw1991 (talk • contribs) 02:50, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

So Christianity is about the things people do and do not say? Interesting. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:21, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Read these lyrics from the album, "You can't lead a horse to water and force it to drink in deeper you can't charge for grace and mercy it costs what it costs, and that's a life of hell." Does this seem pretty Christian to you? (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:56, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Not for me to decide. There's the "plank eye principle" (Matthew 7:3–5 and parallels). I will not make any determination of who is and who is not a Christian based on their outward behaviour.

With that said, the lyrics you quote are a clear in that it discusses churches that behave poorly and put their congregants through a miserable time. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:08, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

In the songs aint no king and why do you bother me? He does say fuck Miranda lass (talk) 17:16, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

As I wrote above, performance-based Christianity is only one, small side of evangelicalism. Christians use words that may be considered profane. That does not make them no longer Christian. Even if you were to find reliable sources that support the claim that they no longer consider themselves a Christian band, that we have sources that claim they were at one time means that they have changed over time, and that is not a reason to remove the sourced genre. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:12, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Dusty Redmon's Involvement

Listening to the November 29th episode of T&Ns podcast "Labelled," Dusty said in an interview that The Almost "came back without [him]." I edited the page to reflect this. Ecmw1991 (talk) 02:39, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

So he's left or he has taken a hiatus? You really need more proof. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:22, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

This was the extent he spoke on the matter. The podcast mainly focused on his former band Beloved (band), their career, and their upcoming reunion performance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ecmw1991 (talk • contribs) 01:52, 2 December 2019 (UTC)