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Requested move 4 July 2021

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The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Elli (talk | contribs) 02:53, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]


The Angel (2018 American film)The Angel (2018 film) – There is no other film called “The Angel” released in 2018. Sahaib3005 (talk) 21:01, 4 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 23 September 2022

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The result of the move request was: Moved to The Angel (2018 film) for the American film, Un Ange for the Belgian film.. Consensus gravitated to the alternative proposal of shifting the American film back to the the (2018 film) disambiguator while adopting Un Ange as the natural disambiguation for the Belgian film. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 15:00, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]


– This film was an Israeli-Egyptian-British co-production airing on Netflix, so there is nothing justifying the "American" label. I'm open to suggestions as to a better disambiguator ("spy film"?), but "American" it is not. The Belgian French-language film was shot in the same year, so it should be moved to either "(2018 Belgian film)" or "(2018 French-language film)". Finally, there was the third Angel shot in 2018, but its Spanish title El Angel (film) seems to be its common name, so I'm not including it in the nomination. No such user (talk) 10:49, 23 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 00:51, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Move The Angel back to The Angel (2018 film) as with Station1's rationale. I can't understand how this mess has come about. "The" distinguishes this film from the other 2018 entries perfectly sufficiently. The other moves are unnecessary and, as noted, a step towards overprecision. Hatnote the rest. Iskandar323 (talk) 10:02, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
While "The" may distinguish, the absence of it probably doesn't just like The Bahamas is still ambiguous with Bahamas. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:47, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Like many article titles, it's very contextual. For example, since the novels Invisible Man and The Invisible Man are both fairly well-known, most looking for either book (or both) know "The" makes a difference, especially with hatnotes on both articles. That implies that readers can differentiate by leading "The". WP:SMALLDETAILS gives flexibility on when to use it. When the parenthetical starts to sound like a short description, I'm tempted to have WP:CONCISE and the spirit of WP:NATURAL prevail: use a more natural-sounding and shorter disambiguator, even if it means relying more on hatnotes. Of course, given SMALLDETAILS and the history of RMs that vigorously discuss its application, many will disagree. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 04:47, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The absence of "The" may have a primary topic in a case like Battle of Maldon v The Battle of Maldon because in that case the battle its self is likely primary over the poem based on it for the title without "The" and almost no one will type "The Battle of Maldon" if they are looking for the battle its self hence why the poem is at the base name with "The". In this case we have 2 different films and both could be a 2018 film called "Angel", the threshold for partial disambiguation is higher and I don't see how it comes close and readers and editors are more likely to benefit from full disambiguation. If we don't move to "Un Ange" it should still be completely disambiguated. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:07, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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