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Website[edit]

i just noticed on the rock band website, that they have a little box in the bottom left corner that says 9.9.09. it led me to this. anyone wanna add it in there somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Estemshorn (talk • contribs) 05:00, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Already listed. --MASEM (t) 05:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

hey look the realease date is number 9 number 9 number 9[edit]

hey look the realease date is number 9 number 9 number 9 just like the song revolution 9 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buzzkill177 (talk • contribs) 00:37, 27 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Several editors have noted this in the article. However, without WP:Verification (The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth—that is, whether readers are able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source, not whether we think it is true.), I have to remove it.—Dah31 (talk) 04:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC) (hoping to sing "Because" on Xbox Live :-)[reply]

New Cover[edit]

http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?product_id=74158

Gamestop has images of the new cover on their website, can someone add it please? Estemshorn (talk) 01:29, 15 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rating[edit]

The ESRB has just recently rated The Beatles: Rock Band "TEEN" for "mild lyrics" and "tobacco reference". The full rating stamp can be seen at The Beatles Rock Band official site. I updated the box art and infobox in accordance with that. This also hints at the Beatles' smoking and the inclusion of some of their more... offensive songs in the game - it may be a sign of things to come! — JuWiki (Talk <> Resources) 03:05, 22 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

song list[edit]

I noticed it has a Teen ESRB content rating in part for a tobacco reference. It's probably "A Day in the Life" (Found my way upstairs and had a smoke) but maybe "I'm So Tired" (Although I'm so tired, I'll have another cigarette.)--68.126.28.93 (talk) 01:00, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Too much speculation to include at this point. --MASEM (t) 03:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Heh, yeah, that's why it was put here instead of the article. :) --68.126.28.93 (talk) 06:11, 4 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's probably from the cutscenes of the band, as I don't think the "lyrics" label on ESRB ratings generally elaborates on the nature of the lyrics. For instance, Guitar Hero: Metallica just says that it's rated T for lyrics and suggestive themes, but it doesn't say that the lyrics use profanity or make violent references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.40.212.28 (talk) 05:30, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It says right on it on the website's ESRB label "Tobacco Reference." But yeah, could be a cigarette hanging out of someone's mouth instead. A Day in the Life's outro doesn't work for the game now that I think about it.--99.129.166.4 (talk) 00:42, 9 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cleaning Up[edit]

I recently added a new image of the Höfner 500/1 Paul McCartney-inspired bass controller. Now it takes up a lot of space so I'm wondering what I should do to fill in that huge gap. Any suggestions?--Ezekiel 7:19 S†rawberry Fields 23:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's fine how it is. In three weeks we'll have the start to the Soundtrack section so that will help. But there's no new information that we can add now. --MASEM (t) 23:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Somebody combined the images, which at this point is a much better idea. That is until the Ludwig drum set is released and the mics and such. After that maybe a gallery would work best.--Ezekiel 7:19 S†rawberry Fields (sign) 14:54, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please Please Me to Abbey Road[edit]

Does this mean that no material from Let It Be will be included? Or does this take into consideration the fact that the material on Let It Be was recorded before Abbey Road? -- Jjm905 (talk) 03:33, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is most likely due to the fact that Abbey Road was the final album recorded. Professionally, Abbey Road is usually refered to as the final Beatles album with "The End" and all. Don't worry, they wouldn't exclude "Let it Be" from the sound track.--Ezekiel 7:19 S†rawberry Fields (sign) 14:57, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Even though Let It Be was technically released after Abbey Road, it was recorded before, and the recording sessions were so chaotic they eventually shelved it and went to Abbey Road instead. But I don't think they'll leave out Let it Be tracks, Get Back is there, along with the rooftop concert venue. And I'm sure they wouldn't pass up on tracks such as I've Got a Feeling and Dig a Pony. 210.4.105.121 (talk) 10:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Update[edit]

I've been reading the news lately about The Beatles: Rock Band and it has been announced that the E3 2009 expo which takes place June 2-4 will release more info on the game. By then we should have a surplus of more info on the game so keep your eyes peeled on that date. Also it was announced that the Ed Sullivan stage will be featured.--Ezekiel 7:19 S†rawberry Fields (sign) 11:48, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Ed Sullivan stage has been revealed on the official website, but that does not assure it will be in the game (it would be stupid of them if it was not). --MASEM (t) 12:12, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ha, very true my friend. Well I'm only citing what I have read in the news. I check google news every day for updates since I'm not a member of the game's "pre-order club".--Ezekiel 7:19 S†rawberry Fields (sign) 18:29, 21 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this game not coming out for PS2?[edit]

It makes me very angry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.26.28.247 (talk) 22:50, 28 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

- The PS2 is slowly dying away, just like the GBA, Gamecube and Xbox original before it. Unfortunately, fan support alone isn't enough to keep consoles alive. You'll notice that 99% of all PS2 games coming out in Europe and America are just translated from the Japanese version or are very simple games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.170.39.35 (talk) 11:45, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is true, the PS2 is slowly dying. If any of you have seen the trailer released today you would notice the graphics are way ahead of the PS2's time. If the PS2 is all you have then I feel remorseful for you, but don't blame me, blame Harmonix.--Ezekiel 7:19 S†rawberry Fields (sign) 19:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The graphics are probably part of it, but I believe the real reason there's no PS2 version is because Apple Corps doesn't want the separate master tracks to be leaked (see here for a description of their paranoia). The PS2 versions of GH/RB games are much easier than the 360/PS3/Wii versions to extract audio from. LordRM (talk) 17:50, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Two other songs?[edit]

Technically, aren't Hard Day's Night and Paperback Writer also confirmed since they are in the opening movie? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.211.137.148 (talk) 00:10, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Need blatant confirmation before saying they're on it. Come together, maxwell's silver hammer, mean mr. mustard and carry that weight are mentioned or alluded to in the movie, but they're on the Abbey Road DLC. Others I noticed are twenty flight rock, hippy hippy shake, dizzy miss lizzy, mr. moonlight, the word, revolution, strawberry fields forever, penny lane, being for the benefit of mr. kite, savoy truffle, honey pie, rocky raccoon and maggie mae but I can't imagine some of them making the game, even as distant future DLC.--66.122.77.96 (talk) 04:46, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, Welcome to the Jungle was shown as some of the first Rock Band gameplay, but was never released. --Teancum (talk) 13:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Is the lead singer column really relevant??[edit]

I don't think it needs to be included, i mean album and year are fine, but who sang the song is not really needed. right? ESTEMSHORNtalkSign 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Scenario: I am considering buying this game. I have the same vocal range as Ringo, and cannot reach the same notes as Paul. I want to know if any Ringo songs are in the game, or if it's all Paul. (That's how I see it might be useful, but I wouldn't object to it being removed). Dendodge T\C 18:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In the standard Rock Band mechanic, you can be octaves higher or lower than the target note, the game pics up on this. (this is explained in the gameplay for the general Rock Band games). Thus, I don't think is useful in terms of the game. (it's important in the musical sense). --MASEM (t) 18:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Really? I spent all this time straining my voice for nothing? I didn't know that, so I suppose my scenario's kinda thrown out the window. I don't mind whether the column stays or not. Dendodge T\C 18:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I added the Lead Singer for a few reasons, but one of them WAS because I thought people would like to know who they are supposed to be emulating. Also, I thought since it's such a vocal-leading game, it might be relevant to see how much of each musician is displayed. What OTHER info might be added here to balance it out some more? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RMThompson (talk • contribs) 20:31, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, i don' really object to it being there, i just don't see any informational reason for it to be on there. ESTEMSHORNtalkSign 05:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Table restored to Song Title[edit]

I have removed the table info (except for song title) for the following reasons.

  • Consensus across the RB songlists are Title, Artist, Genre, Decade. (As defined in RB)
  • Since the article mentions the game consists entirely of music by The Beatles, it is not neccesary to define an artist in the table itself (see: AC/DC Live).
  • All other information is currently available in the song article, with the revelant RB information coming once the game (or HMX) confirms it.

While I understand there will be a lot of Beatles fans coming to this article and wanting to try and help, keep in mind that there's an established style for the RB series of games already in place. For more information you can consult the archived discussions at articles such as List of downloadable songs for the Rock Band series as well as List of Rock Band Track Packs. -- TRTX T / C 16:20, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the idea of keeping the same style, but the simple fact is that the information that would be helpful to this game is not the same information that would be helpful to the regular Rockband games. The year is important because it establishes a timeline that the game will follow, (confirmed) and the other information is just that: INFORMATION. I don't see how it can hurt by adding information, since Artist/Genre/Decade are not applicable here. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.168.112.69 (talk) 19:02, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How do we know Genre/Decade are not applicable? We don't know what sorts of information will be provided in game yet...since none of us have it. All we have to go by is 10 song titles. We follow the same consensus we do for the other RB titles. Until some information becomes avaliable to differentiate it from the norm. -- TRTX T / C 19:15, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually we DO know that decade is not applicable, since the game only uses songs from 1962-1969, which is why YEAR/DATE of release is much more informative and useful to users of this page. RMThompson (talk) 19:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I wish the column hadn't been taken out, and I would add one for Songwriter. We don't 'need' to know what album the songs were originally from, but it gives useful context. People will read "I Wanna Be Your Man", and not know what song it is. If they look over and see "Ringo", then they'll remember. It's also nice to be able to quickly see which singer has how many songs.

Venues in table[edit]

While I am 99% sure, based on indirect comments (but nothing sourcable) that each song can only be played in specific arenas, at least during the career mode, there is no source that confirms this is the case. And we can't look back to other RB games, as multiple approaches to songs per venue have been used. If it truly is the case that a given song can be only played in a specific venue, or that the career mode presents the songs in that order, then yes, this column is appropriate, but we can't include it now until we have a source. --MASEM (t) 04:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who says that just because it's on the list it can ONLY be played there? It's there because that's the venue the SONG was performed in, and it's been said on MANY interviews that the Dreamscpaes will be as I stated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.168.112.69 (talk) 05:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There are PLENTY of sources for the Dreamscapes: http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2009/06/06/e3-hands-on-with-the-beatles-rock-band/ is just one! I am waiting a few hours for more discussion and then adding them back on later this afternoon. If anyone objects discuss it here FIRST. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RMThompson (talk • contribs) 13:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, we know there's Dreamscapes - That's mentioned in the development and gameplay section. But that's not the issue here: the issue here is that we are not 100% confirmed through sources that given a song that the only way to play it, or as it will be in the game's career mode, is in that specific venue. Intuitively, I'm 99% sure this is the case, but there is no source that confirms this, and it is a departure from Rock Band's "Tour" setup. We cannot assume, therefore, that in the gameplay trailer, that songs will be tied to the venues as shown. --MASEM (t) 13:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Masem. I haven't seen any article specifically confirming that a song is assigned a level. If a solid source can confirm this, then it's viable for inclusion. -- TRTX T / C 16:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. There IS video out there that states that where each song is played. This video even shows that the loading screens mention the DATES when the songs were released, which is information I am trying to have added to this page: http://kotakuvideo.blip.tv/file/2209570/ RMThompson (talk) 19:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by RMThompson (talk • contribs) 19:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just as a point, I saw another video yesterday from E3 during HMX's little press demos after the initial announcement that showed the game better. None of the other "loading" screens where the date was in the above video appeared - it just stated loading. And while they were doing this from Quickplay (with a song selection screen very similar to Rock Band 2 , songs listed out in groups by difficulty), this may be different in career mode. --MASEM (t) 15:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Potential Forum Shopping issue[edit]

User RMThompson appears to be using this thread on the Rock Band official forums as a means of forum shopping for support of his changes. It appears to me that he is attempting to circumvent the normal WP editing process of consensus by trying to shift the discussion off site. -- TRTX T / C 19:24, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I find that insulting. I never ONCE asked anyone to come to this website and change anything, and if you haven't noticed, I haven't CHANGED anything since last night in order to allow DISCUSSION - unlike you. I don't understand why certain people feel responsbible for threads and take offense when people change them. Wikipedia is supposed to be informative, encyclopedic, and CONSENSUS usually rules during conflicts. You did NOT wait for consensus, just changed it. RMThompson (talk) 19:40, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
1) Accusations of ownership are pretty nasty at that. I saw a thread on a forum and voiced a concern that discussion could be harmed by that action. I have been accused of ownership in the past and have had multiple editors speak in my defense.
2) The consensus I am editing upon is one built across all Rock Band series setlists. Something that has been around for the past two years.
3) Kindly refrain from personal attacks in the future. And if you hvae any real concerns regarding this article or it's content, you'll find it's much more helpful to carry them out here rather than going to another forum with no ties to RB.
4) My pointing out this concern is completely legitimate, as taking the discussion to a source other than WP goes against the consensus building process, something which you appear so adamant to protect despite taking steps to bypass it. -- TRTX T / C 20:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh and since you brought it up, people on the forum DID like to have the lead singer/venue information. Remember, some of the information is relevant to the game itself; for example the songs will be presented in a chronological order so it might be informative on the page to view them how they are going to be presented in the game, how other games have "tiers". Also, each Beatle was the lead singer on a number of songs, and since harmonies are a large part of this game, it might be informative to have the information regarding who is the lead singer for each song.
1) The RB forums are a very small and specific group. The goal of WP is to present the information that is most helpful to the overall populace, not tailoring each article to the audience that would be most interested. Unless there's a specific in-game reason for calling out the lead singer, it's entirely spurious to the game itself. You'll note that we do not point out specific roles in songs for other band-centric games such as Guitar Hero: Metallica or Guitar Hero: Aerosmith.
Aerosmith and Metallica also have one lead singer throughout all of their songs, GH:Aerosmith didn't have vocals, and GH:Metallica didn't have vocal harmonies. Not that a "Lead Singer" column needs to be there, just pointing out that your comparison isn't relevant. Machchunk | make some noise at me 20:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've also pointed out that while previous games can use "decade" as an appropriate time period to designate what era it came from, this game takes place entirely in one decade. However that does not mean that all the music is the same as any Beatles fan will tell you that the 1963 Beatles were quite different from the 1967 Beatles. I truly believe it would be informative to readers to see what era the songs are from as the list of confirmed songs grows. RMThompson (talk) 21:42, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
2) When we have more information regarding how the content is presented (such as years) then we can include that. But until then it is purely speculative and based only on that information already present in the song articles. -- TRTX T / C 20:03, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I have GIVEN you information that shows that the game presents the songs with the DATE in front of them: http://kotakuvideo.blip.tv/file/2209570/ Look at the video at 3:27. It shows the loading screen which displays the date the song was released! RMThompson (talk) 20:07, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I like that you're trying to bring in new and helpful information, but, just a tip: putting certain words in caps tends to give off aggression or exasperation, whether or not you actually feel those things. So, I would suggest you use italics for those words. Machchunk | make some noise at me 20:50, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct. I was using them for emphasis, but I can see how that could be taken wrong. Still, I don't think that user TRTX has given the information a look, but I plan on editing some of it back in soon when I can nail down my verifiable sources. RMThompson (talk) 21:31, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

RMT, all we are asking is to be patient and let's figure out how the game and information within it is structured before adding it. I'm 99% sure you're right that each song (outside of some quickplay mode) can only be played in a specific venue, and that year and album information will be included with the game. However, we cannot confirm this yet for every song already listed and the rest of the songs that may be in the game. We need either the game to be released or sources about it that give these details in more depth. This stuff does not need to be added now if there's any doubt on its accuracy. --MASEM (t) 21:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmed songs and table removal?[edit]

Hey, according to the official website, only 10 songs have been confirmed. While the other songs appear in the cinematic, they do not appear in the gameplay trailer and we've seen before (with the case of "Welcome to the Jungle") where Rock Band uses a song to advertise the game that does not show up in the game. I say we remove only the songs that have been confirmed, but we also add the table back to add the date each song was released, since that information has been confirmed in the game. RMThompson (talk) 15:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. -- TRTX T / C 16:01, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
People are editing the Soundtrack section to add in unconfirmed songs from the trailer and other places. Be sure to keep an eye out for changes in that section or even put a lock on the page. Jdrager 15:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

GameStop preorder bonus?[edit]

According to GameStop's product page, they're giving away three playable tracks and an "in-game photo book album." Is this relevant to add to the article? Zeldafanjtl (talk) 04:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Might be suitable in the Soundtrack section. Something like "GameStop has revealed that three free additional downloadable songs will be offered to those who pre-order the game. No announcement has been made regarding which songs are being included." -- TRTX T / C 05:24, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Done. ESTEMSHORNtalkSign 06:33, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Looking at the Game Stop site at here, it says, "Limited Edition Premium Bundle includes
  • The Beatles: Rock Band software
  • Höfner Bass controller
  • The Beatles branded Rock Band drums
  • Microphone and Microphone Stand
  • and additional special content"
Have we verified anywhewre what the "additional special content" is? Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 23:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a table with venues to the listed songs?[edit]

Ok I think I've found enough evidence to support that we can now list which songs are performed at the venues. In several seperate gameplay videos from E3 I've heard the speaker reference that each of the songs has a venue or dreamscape. This video for example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP5qnwzPSU8 at the end he talks about it, and there are several more. Would anyone opposte to me adding the venues? RMThompson (talk) 17:36, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Beatlemania"[edit]

I saw that recent change and it reminded me that there was a video on some website that people had linked to over on the Rock Band forums where one of the developers said that Overdrive was being called Beatlemania in this game. Someone should find that video. DJKingpin (talk) 00:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I did find a source (one we're already using) that confirms that, though it;s the only source that does so at this time. --MASEM (t) 00:28, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

How about the Instrument User Guide? http://fccid.net/document.php?id=1133547 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.237.109 (talk) 05:28, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Question regarding the Wii version[edit]

Considering that 3 way vocals is promoted, how will it work for the Wii version since it only has TWO USB ports? 210.4.113.199 (talk) 05:37, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly how this will be done hasn't been said, but there are USB hubs that can expand a single port into several more. --MASEM (t) 12:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

if you have the first or second rock band you have a thing that plugs into the usb port which has for input slots so either if your playing with evry instrument including the 3 vocals then i guess you have to get another usb thing —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.105.124.27 (talk) 14:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Possible upcoming source for track list to keep an eye on[edit]

Last night, I caught an episode of X Play that I could have sworn said they will reveal fifteen new songs in an upcoming episode, i.e. just giving everyone a heads up that come Monday, we will hopefully have a new source to flesh in the soundtrack section further. Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 01:47, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I see it is being discussed at this forum as well and that the number of new songs is either 10 or 15 and the date of the show is uncertain. Best, --A NobodyMy talk 01:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2751017#post2751017 The list of songs could be put into a sortable table with in-game venue, maybe album, year of release, etc. --76.209.221.57 (talk) 15:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Within You Without You[edit]

The version of Within You Without You shown in the second trailer appears to be the one from Love mixed with percussion and bass from Tomorrow Never Knows. The setlist should probably reflect this in some way, though it may not be the same mix or noted that way in the game so I'll leave this for someone else to take care of. 74.75.115.162 (talk) 03:40, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

We shouldn't note that until it's been confirmed what version it is, by Wikipedia:Verifiability. Zeldafanjtl (talk) 04:36, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's confirmed now in today's press release.--76.209.221.57 (talk) 15:43, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Venues?[edit]

According to the most recent post from Harmonix on the Rock Band Forums, the songs are separated by venues. Should we go ahead and include the venue separations on the page? http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2751017#post2751017 is where the venues for the 15 new songs revealed are shown. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.51.50.164 (talk) 15:56, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Another ref I found confirms the venue separation - while I was hesitant about it before, this confirms that this will be case, so I've included the ones for the new songs (and the obvious ones for the original 10). --MASEM (t) 18:58, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Put a note that within you/tomorrow is one song unlike pepper/friends, or is that not sourced yet? Now to figure out if it's 45 songs or 45 tracks. It could be 44 tracks if it's 45 songs.--76.209.221.57 (talk) 20:23, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The songs will be separated by a lot of variables once the actual song selection fields are revealed. The venues the songs are included in seems to be extraneous information to include in the soundtrack list, tantamount to listing the scene each song appears in for the soundtrack to a movie. Fields like the original release dates of the songs and the first albums they appear on will be infinitely more informative (and relevant). Including sortable fields for things like venues and difficulty seems a dubious practice at best and a trivial one at worst. Not every bit of information that's included in a press release needs to be reflected in the article. T. H. McAllister (talk) 01:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Before they hand included the venues in the latest press release, I would have agreed. However, given that they specifically spelled it out as "featured venue" for the song, and that it is part of the history of the game, I think it should be done here. Other things, yes, but at least here, the venues help to identify how the developers classified the works. Also the dreamscape factor will probably be important to identify which songs have those. --MASEM (t) 02:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps try the sortable table again, but include all relevant info this time? Venue works for me since other band-specific game articles include venue. --76.209.221.57 (talk) 16:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've created the table again, but only with album release on it. I chose that because I figured this will become more and more important as the various albums are released via Downloadable Content. I will now look into adding the in-game venue, but ONLY if I can find a verifiable source for ALL the songs listed. I am thinking calling it the "Featured Venue" would be best, as that at least inherently sounds like there might be some wiggle room to play songs in venues they were not originally intended for in the game. RMThompson (talk) 15:13, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We can't confirm which versions of songs are being used here, so including the albums is extraneous. I know 99% of the songs, there's no question, but there are potential for other sources (like the Love project) that make adding album info inappropriate at this time. If the game comes out and they ID the albums, then great. --MASEM (t) 15:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. Than at LEAST accept one with a table that lists the venues the songs are played in, which is verifiable information... or is it the table you're opposed to for some reason? RMThompson (talk) 15:25, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was personally fine with the venues - that's information we have about the songs from HMX (at least for the last 15 and the noted dreamscape ones from the first 10). I added that but that was removed (see above) --15:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
Also, just as another point, in RB, when albums are added through DLC, the album name is the name of the pack - but songs that are part of that album already but were on disk are not "retconned" into that pack. In other words, for GH/RB, the "album" concept needs to be left to imply the DLC aspect of albums, and not the original album the work was from. Less a problem for any of the Beatles songs, all the songs will be linked and the user will be able to determine the original album by following that piece of information. But, should HMX include that album information in game, we can include it since the developers suggest its important information (same if they include year, writer(s), singer(s), etc. on the song's information screen - this is the same as we do for RB's "decade" and "genre" fields.) The only info that HMX has given out beyond song names specific for each song is the venue, and only then for the last 15 songs announced. If more is out before the game is out, we can add that, but we'll likely need to wait for 9/9 to add more table details. --MASEM (t) 15:28, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm willing to keep the "venues" field for now considering it's the only information in-article that'll frame what time period the songs are being portrayed in. Once the specific albums and years can be verified, though, I don't think attaching the venues to the songs has any weight in the article (and should probably be discouraged per excessive fictional details). The respective albums and release years of each song are more important than anything else we can include in the table. T. H. McAllister (talk) 17:12, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We'll need to see what info is provided per song in game. However, I again note that with the Dreamscape venue aspect, knowing venues may actually be important here, even if the year is given and we could sort/group the songs based on that. Best to hold off on any more columns until that point. --MASEM (t) 22:35, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why would Dreamscapes make listing the venues important? It's important to describe what they are and why they're in the game, but we already do that. T. H. McAllister (talk) 07:47, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
GH Aerosmith and Metallica song list articles include venue. That's not to say that this article or those articles should.--76.209.221.57 (talk) 04:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I know people keep trying to add other columns to this songlist (like lead singer). While I understand that some could consider this important, we can only present information as from the game in an isolated manner - what ever information there is about the songs from the game, or from those that developed it, should only be presented in this table. Even if there's no doubt what the album or singer or year or whatever may be for most of the songs, if this information is not presented in the context of the game, it is extraneous. This is an article not in celebration of The Beatles, but discussing the video game, and we don't need to go out of the way to try to make sure readers know every detail of every song - we're fortunate that nearly every Beatles song has its own article, so they're one click away from learning more. --MASEM (t) 12:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Abbey Road/Dreamscape venue will have 20 songs. http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/magazine/17-09/mf_rockband?currentPage=all --76.209.221.57 (talk) 22:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

A couple of the actual venue names may have been released with a total of 4 songs at each venue not counting bonus or encore songs, The Cavern '63 http://cache.g4tv.com/rimg_606x0/ImageDb3/171004_l/8409.jpg and The Ed Sullivan Show '64 http://cache.g4tv.com/rimg_606x0/ImageDb3/171005_l/8409.jpg (if the years are a part of the name) --76.209.221.57 (talk) 02:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Superior Pictures, Fair Use[edit]

http://www.thebeatlesrockband.com/press.php has several images for press use. Many look to Wikipedia to keep them updated, and these covers are much bigger. I move we use this one, and add in a few bigger screens as well. http://www.thebeatlesrockband.com/inc/img/press/full/Xbox/Software/BEATLx360PFTFront.jpg

As Wikipeida is a free contennt encyclopedia, we must keep non-free images (such as those you point to) at a minimum both in number and size, so we can't use larger images. Also, because this game is a multiplatofrm release, we typically use a platform-neutral cover to avoid favoritism. --MASEM (t) 02:46, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

But the Rock Band franchise favors Xbox was well was MTV.

We avoid systematic biases when we can. This is one way. --MASEM (t) 06:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

From you, maybe. If you're gonna keep moving my post down, why not the one with the link to the PS3 box? Guess what, I'm not favoring one. The 360 and MTV and EA have this thing going where they sorta run with each other. I own both a PS3 and 360, and Rock Band is supported on the 360 far more than the PS3. I own both systems because I go out and work instead of sitting on WIkipedia being an a**hole because mommy could only afford a PS3. Now stop moving my s***. I already accepted it's not gonna happen due to file size, you fanboy p****. also i am a faggot

Be aware that for talk pages, new topics should be put at the bottom of the page, to make following the conversation easier; that's the only reason I'm moving it. But as to the picture, regardless of which platform, we cannot use a high resolution picture - that's not allowed per our non-free content policy. --MASEM (t) 04:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, angry much? Crazydiamond1to9 (talk) 06:25, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
-_- i lol'd a lot. ESTEMSHORNtalkSign 01:24, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Combined songs?[edit]

After just looking at the table of songs...What is up with:

  • "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" / "With a Little Help From My Friends"
""Within You Without You / Tomorrow Never Knows""

Do the above count as two songs out of 45, or 4 songs out of 45? Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 17:44, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Going strictly by the press release: WYWY/TNK is "one song" (based on the LOVE project IIRC), while Sgt. Peppers and With a Little Help are two distinct songs, though played in the game back-to-back as on the album. --MASEM (t) 17:50, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


List of Songs In The Beatles: Rock Band[edit]

As The Founder of This Wikipedia page (look at history button above if you don't believe me) I Have Made A Page Of The Song List For The Game ( So When All Songs Are Released It Doesn't Take Half of The Page) So It Is Now Up So Check That Out ( A Link Is In The Page Under Soundtrack). Also I Am In The Works Of Making a List Page For All TBRB DLC Tracks. Dmanskater</sup>""11""</sup> (talk) 20:15, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's no question that once the game is out, we will need a supplimentary page for the songs (as DLC will expand the list). However, with only minimal information about the songs, and not the full set list, and this article is not yet long enough to warrant a split. Add in the fact that people are coming here to see what is in the game in pre-release anticipation, and it doesn't make sense to split off any further at the present. If/when the soundtrack is split off, there should only be one copy of it.
(Also please note that being the "founder" of a page does not grant any special privileges towards deciding content save for some style issues). (Also note you should not change the assessment class of an article you are involved in, instead you need to request reassessment of it). (Also note one more thing, and that is to not empty an article's talk page of comments unless you archieve them (which didn't appear to be the case). --MASEM (t) 02:55, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well I Was Just Making A Point B/C Some People Treat You Like A Jerk Some Times. And Also Should I Put It Back Up Once All Of The Songs Are Released? Dmanskater</sup>""11""</sup> (talk) 20:02, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Even if all the songs are known well before 9/9, that's likely not going to cause the article to become too long, and without reception, readers will want to know what songs are included to make their own judgement. Once reception starts rolling in (on or slightly before 9/9) and there's more growth to this article, then the songlist should be separated, adding sections for DLC as well. (Also, I recommend using standard English capitalization, instead of capitalizing every other word - it makes it hard to take such comments, when commonly left by spammers and vandals in the same type of non-standard English, seriously.) --MASEM (t) 05:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I tried adding year of original release. It was a little too trivial and didn't save it. Found out 8 Days a Week wasn't played at Shea, so they aren't being too particular about venue.--76.209.221.57 (talk) 00:11, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Composer Section[edit]

Deleted the composer section; The Beatles did not write Twist and Shout, it was a cover. If that is included in the game it leaves the door open for more covers so even with that song ignored you can't just assume the game's composers are the Beatles alone. Sam 06:34, 8 August 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Schavira (talk • contribs)

I wouldn't say that it leaves the door open for more covers, unless it's a cover that The Beatles did. EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

9/9/09[edit]

Does anyone else feel releasing the CDs and the game on 9/9/09 is a nod to Revolution 9? It'd be interesting to add to the article, if we can source it of course. Deserted Cities (talk) 23:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No source has confirmed that's why the date was picked, so we're stuck until a source comes for it. --MASEM (t) 00:15, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Boston Globe confirms "Something"?[edit]

http://www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2009/08/09/a_fab_four_reunion_for_a_new_generation/?page=3 Fourth paragraph down, there is a part about Olivia Harrison collaborating with the producers on the dreamscape for "Something". Doesn't seem to be explicitly saying that it is in the game, however. --The Dopefish (talk) 16:47, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No, someone added that earlier and I removed it for that reason: we know Abbey Road is coming, and we know DLC can have dreamscapes, so there's no way to tell if that's on-disc or not. It will be available for the game, just when and how is not there. That's not to say we can't use that article for other things (which I'm looking for right now). --MASEM (t) 17:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If you go to this link to a rockband forum http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=155902&page=40 you'll see that HMXHenry, a Harmonix developer confirmed that Something is on-disc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.107.36.180 (talk) 18:50, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

songs[edit]

Why is Sgt Peppers and With a Little Help from My Friends considered different songs when Within You Without You and Tomorrow Never Knows aren't? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.243.250.120 (talk) 15:33, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

WYWY/TMK is a remix/mashup of the two songs, while Sgt Peppers / Little Help are played back to back. --MASEM (t) 15:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NYTimes article - pictures[edit]

Ok, this NYTimes article that appeared yesterday (to be published sunday) is huge and I'm still working on it. However, I noted they have a picture gallery, and I'm thinking that we may want to consider some picture replacement to avoid too much NFC.

Specifically, I love the idea of using both a piece of concept art [1] and the actual gameplay that it eventually because [2], possibly replacing at least the current gameplay picture (the Nytimes pic has vocals shown). Before/after images always work well in such articles. --MASEM (t) 15:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Come Together"/"Hey Bulldog"[edit]

The NYTimes article mentions these two songs, but does not confirm their presence as on-disc material (as opposed to A Hard Day's Night, where clearly you see the band playing it). They might be on-disc, but right now it is skeptical. --MASEM (t) 18:17, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd have to say the same with Hey Bulldog with the audio interview that came out today. A rock band fan mentioned the song as one he'd most want to play, but nobody said it's actually in the game and I'd still consider it unconfirmed... and now it's confirmed--76.209.221.57 (talk) 17:29, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

okay my friends, i played the game for four hours yetserday at the games con in cologne, and those two songs are included. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.173.170.114 (talk) 10:33, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Who removed the recent updates of the track list[edit]

Those song were confirmed by Rock Band.com and the New York Times.

Put them back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.250.142 (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Come Together and Hey Bulldog, while likely, aren't specifically confirmed; the references may not actually indicate their presence on disc. The other songs specifically mentioned as being on disc were restored. ChrTh (talk) 20:55, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the IP above (based on his edit) was referring to the ones that the NYTimes article does confirm (A Hard Day's Night, etc.) I did request (and got) protection of this page to help prevent more random nonsense like this. --MASEM (t) 21:07, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Yeah yeah, Come Together and Hey Bulldog, which may be likely weren't "confirmed". I just meant HDN, ILTY, Something, and WMGGW —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.250.142 (talk) 14:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Full Setlist in Game Informer[edit]

I just heard the full setlist was revealed in the September issue of Game Informer. Can anyone confirm this, please? 24.113.240.148 (talk) 20:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Confirmed at RB forums. --MASEM (t) 21:00, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
all but 1 song. and now the song is known, but can't properly source it yet.--76.209.221.57 (talk) 00:04, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


really? what is the song?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.250.142 (talk) 15:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In the interest of watching for vandals, it appears to be "The End" based on the title of an achievement/trophy that was observed earned by a player containing a lyric from that song. But that's really weak to go off of. --MASEM (t) 16:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
They had some good points in the forum. Change my 'known' to 'might be known'--76.209.221.57 (talk) 16:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Now it's known, but unsourceable for wiki. Might need to change the table column from 'venue' to 'chapter' eventually.--76.209.221.57 (talk) 07:34, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm thinking it's the whole Abbey Road en melody. Just because of the achievement title and people used to talk about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.237.109 (talk) 06:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting Facts[edit]

Found this article: http://baxy-z.com/site_content.php?subaction=showfull&id=1250297439&archive=&start_from=&ucat=1& and it has a few interesting facts in it.

1. Paul McCartney fact checked the entire game. Every Beatles fact, photo, and video has been reviewed by him for complete accuracy.

2. Every song in the Story mode has two photos that serve as rewards for your performance. The first one is awarded at 3 stars, and the second one at 5 stars – difficulty doesn’t matter. The photos are all rare, or never-before-seen.

3. The extremely hard to find The Beatles’ Christmas Album is included in the game, in its entirely as an unlockable.

4. This game wants to train you to be the fifth Beatle – there are 45 different tutorials for the vocal practice mode, and a whopping 86 different ones for the drum trainer, which is entitled Beatles Beats.

5. At the end of each song, long-time Beatles producer Sir George Martin tells the guys in the band (a.k.a. you) how well they performed on each track.

UltimateSin01 (talk) 22:36, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

{{editsemiprotected}}

At the bottom of the article, where it is talking about reception, it incorrectly refers to the Entertainment Consumer's Assocation blog GameCulture as a blog of the ESA which is a different group. It should be changed to ECA —Preceding unsigned comment added by DougBuffone (talk • contribs)

Fixed. --MASEM (t) 20:00, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Time to move the soundtrack to its own article?[edit]

With the addition of the DLC table, this article is starting to suffer from list-bloat. Should we move the soundtrack section to List of songs in The Beatles: Rock Band now? T. H. McAllister (talk) 23:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd wait until the 9th, as when the reviews start coming in (technically there is one, from Game Informer). I know I saw you had prepped the history of the list article with info, and that's fine to keep up. --MASEM (t) 23:13, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Might as well wait. The only verified DLC is still A Day in the Life as far as that list goes. Depends what the unnamed on-disc song is for the rest.--76.209.221.57 (talk) 00:37, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
??? There's three albums worth of DLC confirmed, plus the timed exclusive for 360. But since the Beatles game (and its DLC) are currently seperate from the rest of RB, it'd be best to keep them all as one article. -- TRTX T / C 03:56, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If one of the 3 album's songs ends up being the 45th on-disc song, it won't be DLC. It could be any of them, so A Day in the Life is the only confirmed DLC song. The DLC table should be removed, but I don't care either way.--76.209.221.57 (talk) 10:15, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
One out of about 20-odd songs isn't that big an issue to worry about. When the last song is know and if it happens to be from those three albums, it just will be removed from it. --MASEM (t) 11:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That was my thinking. Wiki rules say otherwise, but sometimes it's better to ignore them.--76.209.221.57 (talk) 00:24, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All You Need is Love[edit]

It is listed as a single. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it also included on both Magical Mystery Tour and Yellow Submarine? I would change it, but I might get flamed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.179.70.100 (talk) 07:35, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is one of those cases where one word means two things. Although the song WAS released on album in their discography, through the music store for the game it IS being released alone, not as part of any pack or album as well. So a single download. This terminology was started by Harmonix when they released DLC, but I can see the confusion for newcomers.
But in summary, the DLC section is written for the release format in the ingame Music Store (in this case a completely standalone download) rather than anything other system that's more familiar (but less helpful in this case), so that's why it's like that.98.26.93.45 (talk) 16:18, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The song was first released as a single. When the American version of Magical Mystery Tour was released, it included prior singles that had been released, such as "Strawberry Fields Forever," "Penny Lane," and "All Need is You Love." So while it was indeed on the Magical Mystery Tour, it was first released as a single and therefore should be considered a single.Lennoncorleone (talk) 16:23, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Using that logic, shouldn't Get Back be considered a single? Deserted Cities 22:21, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable sources (namely the GameInformer article) credits Get Back as from Let It Be. But the problem here is we're talking the different between a song being a single or an album release, and a Rock Band DLC track being a single or pack release. When 9/9 comes and everyone is enjoying the game, we'll see if they attribute All You Need Is Live to any specific album. If it is, then I suggest that it can be labeled "Single (Magical Mystery Tour)" to highlight that it is a single DLC track for the game, but it is attributed to being on MMT. --MASEM (t) 22:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Does it make a difference? To me, the album column is for which album the song appeared on. And the song in question was on MMT. Deserted Cities 22:36, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
From a music game standpoint yes: Singles mean they aren't bundled in a pack that is usually discounted over the price of buying each song in a pack. --MASEM (t) 22:39, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Right. But from a music fan's standpoint... Deserted Cities 22:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Well, until we know how the song is presented in the game, we don't know. Back before the full song list was known, we didn't have the year or albums given, because at that time, it wasn't certain where a handful of songs were from, and just like AYNIL, there were a couple songs that could have been singles, albums, or Love remixes. As it has now been confirmed for the on-disk songs at least that year and album info is associated with the songs in game, we added that. Right now, AYNIL is a song that will be DCL on 9/9, but we don't know if its the single, the MMT version, the YS version, or yet a different one. Thus we can't add it until that is confirmed in game (or earlier). --MASEM (t) 22:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Bit of an image farm?[edit]

This is personal opinion only, so take it with a grain of salt; Currently to me it seems the article is a bit of an image farm. There are eight in-article images and through images for Dhani Harrison and Giles Martin are somewhat useful they just don't really seem to add to the article in my opinion. Sure, they had an influence on the game, but most GA/FA articles don't have this many images, and given the quality of this article it stands to reason (at least in my mind) that those images are probably one of the small things standing in the way of B or GA class, even given the fact that it's not been released yet. --Teancum (talk) 11:34, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just looked over the article again, with a critical eye on the images, and I have to disagree. Nearly every image clearly relates to the section its in. The weakest one is File:Thebeatles-rockband-opening-cinematic.jpg, which really has very little to do with the Reception section (it's mentioned as being well-received in the body copy, but really, that's a weak connection), especially since the section will be changing significantly once the game is released.
However, take my comment with a grain of salt; I prefer articles that are spruced up with relevant (or even semi-relevant) images rather than just long blocks of text (which is what the "Development" section, along with the "Music production" sub-section, would be without the images of Harrison and Martin). EVula // talk // ☯ // 18:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
And the only reason that the opening image is in reception is that the dev section doesn't have room for it but there is clear reception info on the opening cinematic (moreso that I've ever seen for any other game that we need to discuss it and talk about it was recieved. I'm sure there will be more on all three graphic elements (the main venues and the like, the cutscene movies, and that opening cinematic) that there will be justification for it there. Also, I think it's very significant to acknowledge the key names behind this game from the Beatles side (Dhani, Giles, and Paul and Ringo) as this doesn't weigh the article down at all. --MASEM (t) 20:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder: Free images of instruments[edit]

Those that are getting the bundle or instruments extra, please make sure to take pictures and upload them here for use to replace the non-free instruments image. --MASEM (t) 20:50, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. I'm getting the bundle, so I should be able to take some decent photos of the drums and Paul's bass. EVula // talk // ☯ // 20:02, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Slight bump, as Evula's having some difficulty right now in taking the photos. If you can provide free images of the instrument controllers, that would be very helpful. --MASEM (t) 18:37, 15 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Someone source the End[edit]

Whoever sources "The End" as the final song used a pretty bad website. Kotaku doesn't even say it's confirmed...and Harmonix wouldn't comment on the selection. Can someone do this properly if it's true? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.42.250.142 (talk) 12:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

They're showing a screenshot of the song in a list of other Abbey Road songs (but not the full album). Yes, whoever took the photo of the screen probably got their hands on the game too early, but there's no question about it's legitimacy. --MASEM (t) 13:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
In the age of digital manipulation, a screenshot of an unreleased game is not a legitimate source. Hirachio11 (talk) 16:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
How about the multiple videos of it on YouTube? It IS the last song without a doubt, we just don't have a reliable source come out and say it yet.76.182.10.100 (talk) 22:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

NOW we can move the soundtrack[edit]

While the gaming publication scores aren't coming in yet, we're getting in reviews from newspapers and other non-traditional review sources (which we really want to add), so now the reception can be expanded and thus we should move the songlists to the other page. Make sure to leave a good summary behind if one does that.

Reviews I've gotten so far include:

  • New York Times: [3]
  • Chicago Tribune: [4]
  • Salon.com [5]
  • San Jose Mercury News / Silicon Valley [6]
  • Los Angeles Times [7]
  • Globe and Mail [8]
  • Time [9] (not quite a review, but...)
  • Game Informer, which I have but no online publication.
  • Joystiq (likely not necessary once IGN, 1UP, etc. have their say [10]
  • What will be an article in this week's Entertainment Weekly (sneak peak [11]).

If no one jumps on this in the next day, I'll try to do it tomorrow. --MASEM (t) 20:08, 4 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to move the soundtrack within the next hour or so, but I'll leave expanding the review section up to you and others for now. I'm a gamer first and a Wikipedian second -- I'd like to play the game on Wednesday before reading 10-20 assorted opinions about it. T. H. McAllister (talk) 02:54, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Song Number is still 44, not 45[edit]

"Tomorrow Never Knows/Within You Without You" is one single song. There still is one song that hasn't been revealed. http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96065 "Aug 14 - Setlist now has 44 of the 45 songs." Please fix the article :) Purple1222119 (talk) 01:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stg. Peppers into With a Little Help is considered 2 seperate songs. --MASEM (t) 02:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The one song left is "The End". I can't officially source it, but screenshots and gameplay video confirms it. 98.164.107.190 (talk) 02:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No official statement has been made about the final song, and the list still contains only 44 songs. "Within You Without You/Tomorrow Never Knows" is one song but "Sgt. Pepper and With a Little Help from My Friends" are two separate songs. Could somebody change the article to indicate that there's still a missing song? --Pianoman320 (talk) 18:19, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There is not a "missing" song. There were 44 songs (as officially confirmed here) with one left off. That one has since been revealed to be "The End". -- TRTX T / C 19:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Can anyone find an official source for "The End" and add the song to the list? --Pianoman320 (talk) 21:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reviews[edit]

Reviews are popping up tonight. Downrightgamers.com will have theirs up EXACTLY at 10pm. http://downrightgamers.com/?p=336 —Preceding unsigned comment added by RMThompson (talk • contribs) 01:53, 6 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reception[edit]

Is it just me, or is this section a little too long? Deserted Cities 16:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Most VGs do not get as much press coverage from uncommon sources (NYTimes, Chicago Tribune, etc.) as this game did. In addition, the game's influence is significant so it makes sense to elaborate on all the various aspects of it. --MASEM (t) 18:04, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sales?[edit]

Has anyone been able to find any information yet that we can cite on the game's sales thus far? When I look on Google, I tend to get predictions. Any word on how it did its first day or anything, i.e. the initial impact/reception in financial terms? Sincerely, --A NobodyMy talk 16:57, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The most likely source will be next month, mid-month, when NPD releases Sept. sales. However, there also may be some press release, some info from Xbox Live to show leaderboard counts, and so forth, but I don't expect these. That's pretty much what's missing from this to be Featured - though we can start thinking on GA. --MASEM (t) 18:02, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


I've removed the following sentence from the sales section because I can't find a source for it. It may be in the Wall Street Journal article ([12]), but apparently you can't access it without a subscription. If someone can tell me where exactly Dauman claims that the Limited Edition Premium bundle was "the most popular version of the game sold", I'll put it back. In the Portfolio article, he only mentions that it's selling out -- not that it's more popular than standalone disc version or the "special value" version with the Rock Band 1 controllers.

According to Dauman, the Limited Edition Premium bundle was the most popular version of the game sold, and cautioned that they may not be able to fulfill demands for the holiday season based on current sales projections.

T. H. McAllister (talk) 02:20, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is sourced by the next reference, the Hollywood Reporter article. --MASEM (t) 03:08, 20 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar[edit]

"The Beatles: Rock Band is a music video game developed by Harmonix Music Systems, published by MTV Games and distributed by Electronic Arts."--I believe this sentence needs an Oxford comma.--NYMFan69-86 (talk) 20:21, 4 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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