This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the The Boat Race 2007 article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Rowing, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of rowing on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.RowingWikipedia:WikiProject RowingTemplate:WikiProject Rowingrowing articles
This article is within the scope of the University of Cambridge Wikiproject, an attempt to improve articles relating to the University of Cambridge, and to standardize and extend the coverage of the University in the encyclopedia. If you would like to participate, you can help us by editing the article attached to this notice, or you could visit the project page, where you can join the project, learn more about it, see what needs to be done, or contribute to the discussion.University of CambridgeWikipedia:WikiProject University of CambridgeTemplate:WikiProject University of CambridgeUniversity of Cambridge articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject University of Oxford, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the University of Oxford on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.University of OxfordWikipedia:WikiProject University of OxfordTemplate:WikiProject University of OxfordUniversity of Oxford articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject London, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of London on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.LondonWikipedia:WikiProject LondonTemplate:WikiProject LondonLondon-related articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject River Thames, a project which is currently considered to be inactive.River ThamesWikipedia:WikiProject River ThamesTemplate:WikiProject River ThamesRiver Thames articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject England, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of England on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.EnglandWikipedia:WikiProject EnglandTemplate:WikiProject EnglandEngland-related articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject United Kingdom, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the United Kingdom on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.United KingdomWikipedia:WikiProject United KingdomTemplate:WikiProject United KingdomUnited Kingdom articles
This article is within the scope of WikiProject Women's sport (and women in sports), a WikiProject which aims to improve coverage of women in sports on Wikipedia. For more information, visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.Women's sportWikipedia:WikiProject Women's sportTemplate:WikiProject Women's sportWomen's sport articles
A fact from The Boat Race 2007 appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 18 April 2014 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
Did you know... that the 2007 University Boat Race featured the most non-British rowers in the race's history?
I'll conduct the review of this article. Seattle (talk) 13:41, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comments:
No dead links, references are formatted correctly, checked references two and nine to verify claims. In reference two the article states with millions more tuning in around the globe while article states followed throughout the United Kingdom and worldwide. There's a difference between "followed" and "tuning in"; followed to me implies followed throughout the year, "tuning in" is only for the race itself.
Added a link to demonstrate the global broadcasting and tweaked the wording. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:09, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
The lead doesn't sufficiently summarize the article. The lead should represent all parts of the article, and now it only represents the "race description" section.
Not strictly true, it covers the most important parts of the crew section too. What would you suggest I add? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:41, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Some combination of the first and second sentences in the "Background" paragraph would fit nicely for the second sentence of the lead. Other than that, it looks like a good summary.
Lead:in a time of 17 minutes 46 seconds. Infobox: Winning time: 17 minutes 49 seconds. Which is it?
Can you give a sentence for the history of the women's race and the reserve race in the "Background" section? Can you clarify what the "reserve" race is?
Infobox gives an overall record of 79–73 but article gives an overall record of 78–73.
Infobox gives the record post-race, article is describing the record pre-race, hence its inclusion the Background section. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:09, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oxford won the toss and selected the "Surrey" side of the river. Certainly the coin toss deserves a sentence in the "background" section, along with the two possible stations.
Not really, the whole process of the Boat Race should be contained in the main The Boat Race article, not in every individual article. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:09, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough.
and in German Thorsten Engelmann, the heaviest rower ever. I'm not sure you can be "in" a nationality.
No, you can't, but in the context of the sentence, it's fine, i.e. "In German Engelemann, they had the heaviest rower". I don't see an issue with that. The Rambling Man (talk) 17:09, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, misread that.
The coaches could be represented somewhere in the article, possibly in "Background" but maybe in "Crews".
Can you find sources for this, or do you object to its addition? I found the other coach, Duncan Holland, from reference 11.
Can you link Kieran West outside of the table? The "reaction" section is light on the whole, I'm sure a few more players conducted interviews after the race.
Reference 11 has some reaction from the Cambridge coach.
The "umpire" could be mentioned somewhere in the text as well.
Currently finding no RS to name the umpire, so removing it from the infobox. Perhaps one day I'll have access to the historical newspapers that will allow me to add this information with suitable references. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:17, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'd comment it out from the text of the article as well, in that case, or move it to the talk page until a suitable reference is found.
The "University" links redirect, I prefer "the University of Oxford and the University of Cambridge."
That's my review. Seattle (talk) 14:30, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks Seattle, I'll get to the comments as soon as I possibly can! Very much appreciated. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:49, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Seattle: Okay, I've made a start on the comments which I can fix instantly, I've made an enquiry to a kind editor who has dug out paywall sources for me regarding the others. If you could be kind enough to check the points I believe I've addressed, and hopefully in the meantime I'll be able to resolve the remaining issues. Thanks very much for your review(s) so far! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:19, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your efforts! In summation, the generic "Background" section in this article is ready for transfer to other Boat Race articles, at least from my perspective. It covers the major aspects of the race and its variants, just remain aware of these articles when 2015 comes along for the Women's Boat Race. I'd like to see a general sentence on the "background" section incorporated near the the second sentence of the lead. Add the parenthetical explanation of the Light Blue vs Dark Blue to all articles. Other than that, just be aware of any changes to the Infobox in copying, and that should be good to go. Seattle (talk) 00:00, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Seattle: Ok, I've expanded the lead a bit, commented out the umpire until I find a better source, expanded the reaction section, removed the dubious image, asked the question of the trademark licence template as you suggested. Is there anything else outstanding? The Rambling Man (talk) 07:19, 6 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
