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Archive 1

Notable graduates

I have deleted several names which had no Wikipedia articles about them and produced zero or very few hits on Google. If you think I deleted someone notable, please add them back in and explain why you think they should be in the list. Thanks. –Shoaler (talk) 11:27, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Bachelors' degrees?

Is this school accredited? If so, by whom? (And source it properly, not to the school's own website.) --Orange Mike 17:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Ryan

The information on the faculty (and board) vote on Ryan is sourced to the most RS for matters involving higher education. It related to the public actions of the president, and is therefore acceptable content per BLP. I have restored its undiscussed removal. If there are reliable 3rd party published sources with a different view of the situation, add them. DGG (talk) 23:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

List of Alumni

I removed this little bit:

(the part of about her working at the french laundry). Either it's commonly known she works at the french laundry, or other wise she isn't exactly "notable". Either way, the tag looks silly. Nsoderblom (talk) 05:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Building History

Whose mansion/estate was it originally? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.10.198.105 (talk) 21:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Sainsf (talk · contribs) 15:24, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi! Will review this. Sainsf <^>Feel at home 15:24, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

Update: A bit busy now, I think I will be able to get to this only by the end of this week. Cheers! Sainsf <^>Feel at home 18:47, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

That's fine, no rush. Thanks! ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 19:08, 27 March 2016 (UTC)

@Ɱ: Managed to add all my comments, returning only for reviews! This article is so well-written, I have only a few comments: Sainsf <^>Feel at home 07:23, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

  • In History:
  • sixteen students "sixteen" would look better in digits as per the MOS.
I like to keep history sections with more prose and less numbers if I can; and MOS:NUMERAL is okay with either. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 16:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
Sure, your choice. Sainsf <^>Feel at home 16:44, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
  • "name was changed" is repeated at the end of the first para, how about "renamed"?
Done. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 16:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Also in 2015 Can be better worded as "The same year"
Done. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 16:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
  • The college is opening a campus Better add "As of 2016".
Done. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 16:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
  • purchased the northern portion of the property When?
This sentence is just more information about the same purchase, in 2015. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 16:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
  • In Campus media:mise en place Does it not begin with caps?
That's correct, it's stylized in that fashion. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 16:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
  • In The CIA Singapore: Temasek Polytechnic is a duplink
It's often seen as okay in certain circumstances. Here I link it in the history section, however many people just reading about the campuses (or not reading history/any large paragraphs) will surely miss that earlier link and presume there's no page on Temasek, if it lacks a link in that campus section, pretty far down the page too I might add. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 16:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
No problem. Duplinks are good in some cases... Sainsf <^>Feel at home 16:44, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
  • Parts of Campus media, Campuses, Brandig and Augie award need citations. Even if they do not need sources.
Looking into this... ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 16:41, 28 March 2016 (UTC)
I added some sources already, but I have more to go... ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 17:20, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

@Ɱ: I think you are busy elsewhere, when can we finish working on the last point? Sainsf <^>Feel at home 13:48, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

I'm sorry. I did a bit more recently; I will get to it again tomorrow. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 01:18, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
No hurry, just let me know when you are done. The review is open till we keep working. :) Sainsf <^>Feel at home 04:11, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
Okay, I added a lot more references, what do you think now? ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 17:23, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Much better! Only three parts look unsourced:

  • The CIA Singapore section
  • In popular media section
  • Not all points on the alumni look sourced.

These fixed, I would be glad to promote this. Sainsf <^>Feel at home 17:58, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Okay, it should be fixed now. By the way, I'm curious if you'll be willing to review my FAC Briarcliff Manor Public Library, perhaps in turn for me reviewing your FAC Springbok? I likely need more eyes on the library article in order for it to pass. ɱ (talk · vbm · coi) 23:45, 17 April 2016 (UTC)
Great, I am happy to promote this article. Thanks for your kind offer, I am willing to review any nomination I have some idea about. Will take some time out for it. Try springbok of you get time, no quid pro quo necessary. Cheers, Sainsf <^>Feel at home 03:43, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Hey so I support the inclusion of three external links in this article, as can be seen here. User:Jytdog disagrees.

  • The NYT topic: many articles I've seen have a link to the Times' topic (it's sorta rare for NYT to even keep a topic on many entities like schools). It doesn't qualify as WP:ELNO #9 as it's not a simple computer-generated search results page. It's a selected list of articles related to the topic; further reading if you will. It definitely meets WP:ELYES #3, which makes it acceptable to keep. It doesn't fit any of the other ELNOs either.
  • As for the Food Business School (FBS) link, sure it looks like spam, as the CIA seems to have a larger marketing department than it does academics sometimes, but the FBS is the CIA for its graduate programs. Ignore how pretty it looks. Anyway, it's sorta considered a somewhat separate entity, but owned/operated by CIA. I'm gonna add more about it in the article, but the link definitely is very relevant. And as a separate entity, it's not a subpage of the other official link; you can't really get to the FBS page from the CIA homepage.

Regardless, ELNO only says to usually include only one link, and ELNO also is a guideline. That's a lot of indefinite rules there. If it's helpful to the reader, which I know it would be, as one of the primary contributors to this article, then wp:iar: "If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it". ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 22:00, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

The NYT link is a search result. It is kind of the NYT to organize pre-formatted searches, but a search result is a search result.
As for the grad school - no - we do not have ELs for every college within a university, nor for every subsidiary of a company. ELNO says "one" for a reason.
Everybody who cares about article X wants to include all kinds of ELs about X, and if everybody IAReds based on what they liked, this place would be more of a shitpile than it is. We need to keep ELs from becoming spam farms. An EL to the school is fine, and people can follow links there to the grad school etc. Jytdog (talk) 01:34, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
I disagree that it's a search result. I never searched for anything to retrieve that page! As well, let me stress again - search results are automated such that less relevant results will still show up. This isn't, and only has pertinent results. Times topics appear at the end of Times articles for further reading into a topic, much like Wikipedia does and could here. As for the grad school, let me stress again that this isn't a college within a university. It's a separate program with separate staff, yet all controlled by the same governing members. It's not even at all at the primary and by-far-largest campus; it doesn't exist there to any degree. And you're greatly exaggerating with the ELs. Three ELs isn't a "shitpile" or "spam farm". ELNO is a guideline that says to "usually" use one. I can manage preventing true spam from being added; I have for years so far here. I truly believe the ELs are useful, helpful, and comply with WP:EL; we should seek other opinions here or elsewhere. ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 03:40, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
A "Times Topic" is just a Virtual folder - common as dirt - -where the system does a search for you. They just preformat it for you, to help you. And what you start, others will follow on and add more to the shitpile. You could be making the exact same argument that we should allow a search result of the WSJ or any number of publications, or even just a google search. Or that we should separate ELs for each of their campuses. That too would provide "more information". There is no end to that argument. Jytdog (talk) 04:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
Nope, not at all the same as a search. Look at this versus this. Pretty stark difference. And no, others won't follow, because other links won't pass WP:EL; I can revert them. Not a solid argument. Also, NYT is very notable for not only being one of the best and highest-regarded sources (see reputation section), but also with a very strong food section with a great amount of food writers and critics. WSJ has only about 9 barely relevant results, as other sources will. Not a good source for further reading, though NYT definitely is. ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 15:57, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
I said it is formatted prettier. We do not agree here. Jytdog (talk) 02:52, 21 June 2017 (UTC)
Why not an RfC? ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 13:03, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for replying... sure, but it seems like a small thing to bug the community about... we could ask at Wikipedia:External links/Noticeboard maybe? Jytdog (talk) 02:57, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
We've bugged them over less/sometimes it seems these tiny details are the only things Wikipedians care about, but nevertheless ELN sounds like a good place to start. ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 03:05, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
did that finally: Wikipedia:External_links/Noticeboard#New_York_Times'_"Times_Topics"_as_ELs Jytdog (talk) 02:32, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Unsourced booster content

Unsourced, BOOSTER content was removed in this diff. Restored:

  • this diff 00:03, 5 January 2018
  • diff 00:31, 5 January 2018
  • diff 02:11, 5 January 2018

The content about the school colors is unsourced and BOOSTER as I noted here. Contrary to the 2nd edit note, the accompanying edit had no reference nor was one added in that diff. The 3rd revert also has a misrepresentation about providing no rationale, but per the diff of my revert above, there indeed was. So we have edit warring with misrepresentational edit notes, to add unsourced, WP:PROMO content. Not a lot to talk about there. Jytdog (talk) 02:11, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

You've been edit warring too, and moreover have been extremely uncivil, calling my text "bullshit" and trying to force me off of your talk page, among other excessively crass remarks. This is not the place for childish behavior, and I'm beyond tired of it by now. Stop Now or I will have an administrator admonish you. As for the text: I have had that referenced and could provide another. You had no justification in this diff, so stop trying to call this misrepresentation. Anyway, read my edit summaries. This sort of content explaining school colors is in most university articles, including Cornell:

The school colors are carnelian (a shade of red) and white, a play on "Cornellian" and Andrew Dickson White. A bear is commonly used as the unofficial mascot, which dates back to the introduction of the mascot "Touchdown" in 1915, a live bear who was brought onto the field during football games.

As well as Harvard:

The school color is crimson, which is also the name of the Harvard sports teams and the daily newspaper, The Harvard Crimson. The color was unofficially adopted (in preference to magenta) by an 1875 vote of the student body, although the association with some form of red can be traced back to 1858, when Charles William Eliot, a young graduate student who would later become Harvard's 21st and longest-serving president (1869–1909), bought red bandanas for his crew so they could more easily be distinguished by spectators at a regatta.

Some schools even have entire articles on their colors (see Category:School colors.)
So your idea that it's unencyclopedic is entirely without grounds. I'm sorry the school administration chose those colors (green does often correlate with sustainability/nature/the Earth, and gold with greatness/richness/superiority). The school is unfortunately pretty promotional. That doesn't make it improper for Wikipedia to explain why an significant college chose its colors or what they represent. ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 04:45, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
I'm going to make a change that you may find acceptable. I surprisingly couldn't find the source I remembered, nor any other. The current explanation offered is less promotional. The relevance of it, as well as my astonishment over your behavior, still stand. ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 05:09, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Please propose content and sourcing. Jytdog (talk) 05:17, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Already was making it. This should end your charade. ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 05:27, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
mostly ok. Jytdog (talk) 05:29, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
You made another misrepresentation here when you wrote "without an explanation, ". My edit note said "trim explanation". Even in the examples you gave above they simply name the colors with boosterism symbolism. There is no need for that. I have not objected to the source although it is poor. Please just let this be. Jytdog (talk) 06:00, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
You're not understanding me. I said that your edit cut out explanation, that is, it cut out the explanation of why wheat is used in the logo. I even added that the school specifically deems it symbolic in those ways. This is relevant, otherwise that statement about the wheat is no better than just the image of the logo itself. It doesn't pay to say the logo depicts wheat without stating why. ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 06:06, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Also, you're so quick to accuse me of horrific reversions and all; yet you hypocritically always revert everything you don't like immediately, even though we're already discussing here. Come on, be a team player already. ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 06:07, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
Actually i thought that this was a decent compromise; badly sourced but at least sourced, and just the facts without the metaphors. Not sure why the fact that a cooking school has wheat as a symbol needs some big metaphorical gravy to explain it. Jytdog (talk) 06:50, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
If there's a wide consensus to provide details about logos, I'd assume it would have been brought up by now.
Assuming there is no such consensus, then to prevent POV and NOT problems, it needs an independent source. --Ronz (talk) 16:22, 5 January 2018 (UTC)
WP:SELFPUB usually suffices, but seeing as you find it self-serving, than whatever. I doubt it would be covered by independent sources; this is actually a tiny school. So if we want to improve the encyclopedia by including facts the CIA states about itself, then we should keep it. If you hate seemingly promo material enough, then fine, it can go. ɱ (talk) · vbm · coi) 16:26, 5 January 2018 (UTC)

Not a culinary school?

@Ɱ: Why do you object to summarizing this institution in the infobox and lede sentence as a culinary school? In the very first sentence of the institution's own About us page, it says that it "has been setting the standard for excellence in professional culinary education since its founding in 1946." The very first sentence of the institution's mission statement says: "The Culinary Institute of America (CIA) is a private, not-for-profit college dedicated to providing the world's best professional culinary education." Objecting to this classification because it "has other majors and degree programs" is off-base; saying that an institution is a medical school does not mean that it only offers the MD, saying that an institution is a liberal arts college does not mean that it only offers the BA. ElKevbo (talk) 03:42, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Both of those statements are regarding what they excel in and/or are known for. They do not summarize it. MIT is known for its technology, it too is directly in the name, but it is instead called a "research university"; like the CIA, you can go there for things wildly different than culinary arts. Calling it a culinary school is a bit of a misnomer, and in my eyes doesn't distinguish it from, say, a high school, amateur, community college, or other independent or semi-independent cooking program. ɱ (talk) 03:49, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Your talk heading is not accurate, it is a culinary school, it is just a private college (with four-year and master's degree programs) and a culinary school. More descriptive, more accurate. ɱ (talk) 03:51, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Are you seriously saying that the institution's mission statement is inaccurate?
And if you don't think that this is a culinary school you need to edit that article because other editors there disagree with you and include this institution not only in the "History" section of that article but also as a prominent example in the "Curricula" section. ElKevbo (talk) 03:56, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Additionally, the institution's Basic Carnegie Classification is "Special Focus Four-Year: Other Special Focus Institutions" and not "Baccalaureate/Associate's Colleges", "Baccalaureate College", or "Master's College and University". So by my count I've provided two pretty definitive sources. Can you please provide some references that support your assertion? ElKevbo (talk) 04:00, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
Are you seriously saying that the institution's mission statement is inaccurate?
Respectfully, please read more carefully. The mission statement uses the adjectives and nouns "private, not-for-profit college". I expand on that even more in your favor.
And if you don't think that this is a culinary school
Please again read more carefully, I do acknowledge that it is, but it is not just that. It is important to clarify in the lead, because its identity has well progressed beyond just being one of several culinary schools in the United States. ɱ (talk) 04:08, 25 June 2021 (UTC)
And perhaps I understand one of the points you may be confused about, and that Wikipedia is not too clear about up-front. Nearly every culinary school in the United States, post-high school, is either one of two things: (a) a several-month-long certificate program, generally by a for-profit school, or (b) a one-to-two year Associate of Occupational Studies in culinary arts, with cooking classes and a few basic academic courses. The CIA, as far as I have seen, is the only one to progress beyond this U.S. definition of culinary schools. The programs it now has allow someone to graduate with a four-year degree, or master's degree, in a myriad of programs and without taking any culinary classes whatsoever, not at all like any other culinary school, where instead it occupies 80-100 percent of your time. And I'm not trying to be promotional, I dislike a great many aspects about the place and have edit warred with its PR team trying to add in trash. I have been in the restaurant industry long enough to know that it is commonly considered well beyond that of a "culinary school", it is more accurately a "private college and culinary school". I don't know how you expect me to prove this; newspapers and magazines choose their descriptors to be concise and support their narrative, not to summarize an entity as well as an encyclopedia does. ɱ (talk) 04:23, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Statistical updates

Hi Editors, I'm Robin, here as part of my work for Beutler Ink on behalf of The Culinary Institute. I have a request to update some of the basic statistics and make a few other minor changes in the article.

I propose changing:

In the infobox

 Done STEMinfo (talk) 01:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
 Done STEMinfo (talk) 01:54, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

In the Faculty section:

  • The first sentence to read "As of Fall 2022, the school had 130 full-time and 67 part-time faculty members." per the NCES link
 Done I changed the wording to indicate that the source for the faculty demographics is the school's own web directory. STEMinfo (talk) 02:01, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

In the Admissions section:

  • The Princeton Review selectivity rating to reflect the current number of 75 out of 99 per the updated report
  • The applications received to 1,887 in fall 2022, with 95% accepted, per NCES
  • The SAT range of accepted students being 930 to 1200 and ACT composite range being 17 to 26 per this report from College Board
 Done In your recommended text, you named a ref that I can't find anywhere else. <ref name=CollegeBoard2024/> You also wrote that the ACT and SAT scores are in this report, but it clearly says not available. I instead used the Princeton Review report, but clarified it that those are numbers CIA self-reported to the Review. I removed the unsourced 2016 transfer data. It doesn't seem important. STEMinfo (talk) 01:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

In the Enrollment section:

  • Enrollment to 3,005 undergrads (415 transfers) and 119 graduates; 95% of students being enrolled full time per the NCES
  • 18% of students being from New York and 12% of students being international per the NCES
  • 82% of students being 24 or younger (replacing the sentence "The student body has an average age of 22 years") per the NCES
  • Average GPA being 3.0 and 68% of students living on campus per Princeton Review
  • Replacing the second paragraph with the following, which is more up to date
 Done BINK Robin I learned a lot doing these edits. There were list defined references in the table that I deleted. Those had to be removed from the references or a ref error shows up. Please also include the references in the requested change section, rather than just a ref name, so the reflist talk section doesn't come up with a number and letters and nothing else. It makes it easier to check the refs, particularly if they are being used incorrectly. You can test your future text requests in your sandbox, to make sure the requests won't cause any cascading problems, such as with undefined ref names or stray defined refs that are unused. I also noticed when I went to close this request that you closed it before it was done. It's done now. STEMinfo (talk) 01:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
@STEMinfo I've learned a fair bit too. Thanks for your patience with this. I'll be sure to keep an eye out for those stray references in the future. BINK Robin (talk) 20:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
Extended content

As of 2024, the school offered certificates in culinary arts;[1] associate degrees in baking and pastry arts and culinary arts;[2] bachelor's degrees in food business management, hospitality management, applied food studies, and culinary science, as well as culinary arts and baking and pastry arts degrees for transfer students;[3] and master's degrees in culinary arts, food business, Sustainable food systems, and wine and beverage management.[4]

References

  1. ^ "CIA Accelerated Culinary Arts Certificate Program (ACAP)". The Culinary Institute of America. Retrieved April 24, 2024.
  2. ^ "CIA Associate Degree Programs". The Culinary Institute of America. Retrieved April 24, 2024.
  3. ^ "CIA Bachelor's Degree Programs". The Culinary Institute of America. Retrieved April 24, 2024.
  4. ^ "CIA Master's Degree Programs". The Culinary Institute of America. Retrieved April 24, 2024.

Please let me know what you think! Cheers, BINK Robin (talk) 15:32, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

@BINK Robin: The edit backlog is getting long. It would speed things up if you posted the actual text you want added. See my draft doc for the TextDiff suggestion. User:STEMinfo/COI_edit_requests_for_novices#Showing_before_and_after_text_side_by_side STEMinfo (talk) 23:07, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
@STEMinfo: I'm happy to provide the request in that format! I'll break it up just a little because I think it will be easier to look at.
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<table class="infobox vcard"><caption class="infobox-title fn org">The Culinary Institute of America</caption><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;"><div style="display: inline-block; line-height: 1.2em; padding: .1em 0; ">Former name</div></th><td class="infobox-data nickname">New Haven Restaurant Institute (1946–1947)<br>Restaurant Institute of Connecticut (1947–1951)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">Type</th><td class="infobox-data">[[Private university|Private]] culinary school</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">Established</th><td class="infobox-data">May 22, 1946<span class="noprint">; 78 years ago</span><span style="display:none"> (<span class="bday dtstart published updated">May 22, 1946</span>)</span></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">Founders</th><td class="infobox-data">[[Frances Roth]], [[Katharine Cramer Angell|Katharine Angell]]</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[Financial endowment|Endowment]]</th><td class="infobox-data">$138.3 million (2019)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[Chairperson|Chairman]]</th><td class="infobox-data">[[Jon L. Luther]]</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[University president|President]]</th><td class="infobox-data">[[L. Timothy Ryan]]</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[Provost (education)|Provost]]</th><td class="infobox-data">Mark Erickson</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;"><div style="display: inline-block; line-height: 1.2em; padding: .1em 0; ">Academic staff</div></th><td class="infobox-data">170</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[Undergraduate education|Undergraduates]]</th><td class="infobox-data">2,918 (Fall 2016)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">Location</th><td class="infobox-data adr"><div style="display:inline" class="locality">[[Hyde Park, New York|Hyde Park]]</div>, <div style="display:inline" class="state">New York</div>, <div style="display:inline" class="country-name">United States</div><br /><span class="geo-inline"><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion">[https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=Talk:The_Culinary_Institute_of_America/Archive_1&params=41_44_45_N_73_56_0_W_type:edu_region:US-NY <span class="geo-default"><span class="geo-dms" title="Maps, aerial photos, and other data for this location"><span class="latitude">41°44′45″N</span> <span class="longitude">73°56′0″W</span></span></span><span class="geo-multi-punct"> / </span><span class="geo-nondefault"><span class="geo-dec" title="Maps, aerial photos, and other data for this location">41.74583°N 73.93333°W</span><span style="display:none"> / <span class="geo">41.74583; -73.93333</span></span></span>]</span>[[Category:Pages using gadget WikiMiniAtlas]]</span></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[School colors|Colors]]</th><td class="infobox-data">Sage Green and Fire Gold<br /><span class="legend-color mw-no-invert" style="background-color:#2c6849; color:white;"> </span> <span class="legend-color mw-no-invert" style="background-color:#ef8a33; color:black;"> </span></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[Athletic nickname|Nickname]]</th><td class="infobox-data">Steels</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;"><div style="display: inline-block; line-height: 1.2em; padding: .1em 0; ">Sporting affiliations</div></th><td class="infobox-data">[[Hudson Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Conference|HVIAC]]</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">Mascot</th><td class="infobox-data">Sting</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">Website</th><td class="infobox-data"><span class="url">[http://www.ciachef.edu www<wbr/>.ciachef<wbr/>.edu]</span></td></tr></table>
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<table class="infobox vcard"><caption class="infobox-title fn org">The Culinary Institute of America</caption><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;"><div style="display: inline-block; line-height: 1.2em; padding: .1em 0; ">Former name</div></th><td class="infobox-data nickname">New Haven Restaurant Institute (1946–1947)<br>Restaurant Institute of Connecticut (1947–1951)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">Type</th><td class="infobox-data">[[Private university|Private]] culinary school</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">Established</th><td class="infobox-data">May 22, 1946<span class="noprint">; 78 years ago</span><span style="display:none"> (<span class="bday dtstart published updated">May 22, 1946</span>)</span></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">Founders</th><td class="infobox-data">[[Frances Roth]], [[Katharine Cramer Angell|Katharine Angell]]</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[Financial endowment|Endowment]]</th><td class="infobox-data">$138.3 million (2019)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[Chairperson|Chairman]]</th><td class="infobox-data">John C. Metz Jr.</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[University president|President]]</th><td class="infobox-data">[[L. Timothy Ryan]]</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[Provost (education)|Provost]]</th><td class="infobox-data">Mark Erickson</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;"><div style="display: inline-block; line-height: 1.2em; padding: .1em 0; ">Academic staff</div></th><td class="infobox-data">197</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[Undergraduate education|Undergraduates]]</th><td class="infobox-data">3,005 (Fall 2022)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[Postgraduate education|Postgraduates]]</th><td class="infobox-data">119 (Fall 2022)</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">Location</th><td class="infobox-data adr"><div style="display:inline" class="locality">[[Hyde Park, New York|Hyde Park]]</div>, <div style="display:inline" class="state">New York</div>, <div style="display:inline" class="country-name">United States</div><br /><span class="geo-inline"><span class="plainlinks nourlexpansion">[https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=Talk:The_Culinary_Institute_of_America/Archive_1&params=41_44_45_N_73_56_0_W_type:edu_region:US-NY <span class="geo-default"><span class="geo-dms" title="Maps, aerial photos, and other data for this location"><span class="latitude">41°44′45″N</span> <span class="longitude">73°56′0″W</span></span></span><span class="geo-multi-punct"> / </span><span class="geo-nondefault"><span class="geo-dec" title="Maps, aerial photos, and other data for this location">41.74583°N 73.93333°W</span><span style="display:none"> / <span class="geo">41.74583; -73.93333</span></span></span>]</span>[[Category:Pages using gadget WikiMiniAtlas]]</span></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[School colors|Colors]]</th><td class="infobox-data">Sage Green and Fire Gold<br /><span class="legend-color mw-no-invert" style="background-color:#2c6849; color:white;"> </span> <span class="legend-color mw-no-invert" style="background-color:#ef8a33; color:black;"> </span></td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">[[Athletic nickname|Nickname]]</th><td class="infobox-data">Steels</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;"><div style="display: inline-block; line-height: 1.2em; padding: .1em 0; ">Sporting affiliations</div></th><td class="infobox-data">[[Hudson Valley Intercollegiate Athletic Conference|HVIAC]]</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">Mascot</th><td class="infobox-data">Sting</td></tr><tr><th scope="row" class="infobox-label" style="padding-right:0.65em;">Website</th><td class="infobox-data"><span class="url">[http://www.ciachef.edu www<wbr/>.ciachef<wbr/>.edu]</span></td></tr></table>


The Culinary Institute of America
Former name
New Haven Restaurant Institute (1946–1947)
Restaurant Institute of Connecticut (1947–1951)
TypePrivate culinary school
EstablishedMay 22, 1946; 78 years ago (May 22, 1946)[1]
FoundersFrances Roth, Katharine Angell
Endowment$138.3 million (2019)[10]
ChairmanJohn C. Metz Jr.[11]
PresidentL. Timothy Ryan[3]
ProvostMark Erickson
Academic staff
197[9]
Undergraduates3,005 (Fall 2022)[9]
Postgraduates119 (Fall 2022)[9]
Location
Hyde Park
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New York
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United States

41°44′45″N 73°56′0″W / 41.74583°N 73.93333°W / 41.74583; -73.93333
ColorsSage Green and Fire Gold[6]
   
NicknameSteels
Sporting affiliations
HVIAC
MascotSting
Websitewww.ciachef.edu

References

  1. ^ a b c Cite error: The named reference ArchHist was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ As of June 30, 2019. "U.S. and Canadian 2019 NTSE Participating Institutions Listed by Fiscal Year 2019 Endowment Market Value, and Percentage Change in Market Value from FY18 to FY19 (Revised)". National Association of College and University Business Officers and TIAA. Archived from the original on September 23, 2023. Retrieved September 25, 2020.
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  7. ^ As of June 30, 2019. "U.S. and Canadian 2019 NTSE Participating Institutions Listed by Fiscal Year 2019 Endowment Market Value, and Percentage Change in Market Value from FY18 to FY19 (Revised)". National Association of College and University Business Officers and TIAA. Retrieved September 25, 2020.
  8. ^ "Culinary Institute of America elects John C. Metz Jr. chairman of the board". The Culinary Institute of America. October 28, 2022. Retrieved April 29, 2024.
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  10. ^ As of June 30, 2019. "U.S. and Canadian 2019 NTSE Participating Institutions Listed by Fiscal Year 2019 Endowment Market Value, and Percentage Change in Market Value from FY18 to FY19 (Revised)". National Association of College and University Business Officers and TIAA. Retrieved September 25, 2020.
  11. ^ "Culinary Institute of America elects John C. Metz Jr. chairman of the board". The Culinary Institute of America. October 28, 2022. Retrieved April 29, 2024.

This makes some statistical updates and updates the current chairman.

Faculty (note, I made some additional tweaks to this part of the request describing faculty composition)
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The school's full-time faculty number approximately 150. The school differs from most colleges as its faculty is largely composed of chefs.<sup class="reference nowrap"><span title="Page: ii">:&hairsp;ii&hairsp;</span></sup> The college employs a number of [[American Culinary Federation]]-certified Certified Master Chefs, as well as Master Bakers certified by the Retail Bakers of America. The faculty also includes authors of textbooks, magazines, and other published media. Many of the instructors are graduates of the school.
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As of Fall 2022, the school had 130 full-time and 67 part-time faculty members. The school's faculty comprises instructors and professionals from food, beverage, and hospitality industries, including [[Liberal arts education|liberal arts]] instructors, including [[American Culinary Federation]] Certified Master Chefs, Retail Bakers of America Certified Master Bakers, [[sommeliers]], authors, [[dietitians]], food industry executives, historians, and other academics.

This makes some statistical updates, offers a clearer timeframe, as well as offers some updated language on the current faculty composition to better reflect the CIA's current faculty.

As of Fall 2022, the school had 130 full-time and 67 part-time faculty members.[3] The school's faculty comprises instructors and professionals from food, beverage, and hospitality industries, including liberal arts instructors, including American Culinary Federation Certified Master Chefs, Retail Bakers of America Certified Master Bakers, sommeliers, authors, dietitians, food industry executives, historians, and other academics.[5]

References

  1. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference Faculty was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference SelfStudy was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  3. ^ a b "College Navigator: Culinary Institute of America". National Center for Education Statistics. United States Department of Education. Retrieved April 24, 2024.
  4. ^ "Meet the CIA's Faculty". The Culinary Institute of America. Retrieved May 13, 2024.
  5. ^ "Meet the CIA's Faculty". The Culinary Institute of America. Retrieved May 13, 2024.
Admissions
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Undergraduate admission to the Culinary Institute of America is characterized by [[College Board]] as "not selective". The [[Princeton Review]], in its 2017 edition, gave the university an admissions selectivity rating of 70 out of 99.

For the freshman class entering Fall 2017, the Culinary Institute of America received 989 applications of which 934 were accepted for a 94% admissions rate. The admitted students' academic profile showed an SAT average score of 970 to 1190, while the average composite ACT score was 17–23. The school began accepting the [[Common Application]] in 2016, after becoming a member on August 1 of that year.

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Undergraduate admission to the Culinary Institute of America is characterized by [[College Board]] as "not selective". As of April 2024, [[The Princeton Review]] gave the university an admissions selectivity rating of 75 out of 99. In fall 2022, the school received 1,887 applications, of which 95 percent were accepted. The admitted students' academic profile showed an [[SAT]] range of 930 to 1200 and an [[ACT (test)|ACT]] composite range of 17 to 26. The school began accepting the [[Common Application]] in 2016, after becoming a member on August 1 of that year.

This makes some needed statistical updates and removes an outdated table for which there is no data to bring it up to date. I'd also question if editors think it is necessary to include the College Board Selectivity Rating, but will defer to the community's thoughts on that. If the selectivity rating is removed, the box below has the updated text.

As of April 2024, The Princeton Review gave the university an admissions selectivity rating of 75 out of 99.[4]

In fall 2022, the school received 1,887 applications, of which 95 percent were accepted.[5] The admitted students' academic profile showed an SAT range of 930 to 1200 and an ACT composite range of 17 to 26.[6] The school began accepting the Common Application in 2016, after becoming a member on August 1 of that year.[3]

References

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  4. ^ a b "The Culinary Institute of America". The Princeton Review. Retrieved April 24, 2024.
  5. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference NCES was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  6. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference CollegeBoard2024 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
Enrollment
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In Fall 2016, the university had an enrollment of 2,774 [[Undergraduate education|undergraduate students]] (including 512 first-year students) and 19 [[graduate student]]s. Of all students, 32% are from the state of New York and 12.2% are international students, from 37 countries. The student body has an average age of 22 years. 57% of students were in the top half of their high school class rank, with 6% in their class's top tenth. The average high school GPA was 3.10. 443 students applied to transfer to the CIA, with a 98% admission rate and 72% enrollment rate for those admitted. 82% of first-year students lived in college housing, while 61% of all undergraduates lived in college housing. 100% of the student body is enrolled as full-time students. In 2014, undergraduates were enrolled in five schools: the School of Culinary Arts, the School of Baking and Pastry Arts, the School of Business and Management, the School of Liberal Arts and Food Studies, and the School of Culinary Science and Nutrition. Within the bachelor programs, 83% of student majors are in business management, 10% in culinary science, and 6% are interdisciplinary.
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In fall 2022, the university had an enrollment of 3,005 [[undergraduate]] students, of which 415 were transfer students, and 119 [[graduate education|graduate]] students; 95 percent of students were enrolled full-time. Of all the students, 18 percent were from New York and 12 percent were international students. Approximately 82 percent of the student body was 24 years of age or younger. The average high school [[grade point average]] was 3.0, and 68 percent of undergraduate students lived on campus.

As of 2024, the school offered certificates in [[culinary arts]]; [[associate degree]]s in [[baking]] and pastry arts and culinary arts; [[bachelor's degree]]s in food business management, [[Hospitality management studies|hospitality management]], applied food studies, and culinary science, as well as culinary arts and baking and pastry arts degrees for transfer students; and [[master's degree]]s in culinary arts, food business, [[Sustainable food system]]s, and wine and beverage management.

This removes a table that has no data to update it, and otherwise updates statistics and degree offerings, mirroring the current language as closely as possible. The templates don't want to play nicely with the tables, so I've separated out the updated table below.

In fall 2022, the university had an enrollment of 3,005 undergraduate students, of which 415 were transfer students, and 119 graduate students; 95 percent of students were enrolled full-time. Of all the students, 18 percent were from New York and 12 percent were international students. Approximately 82 percent of the student body was 24 years of age or younger.[5] The average high school grade point average was 3.0, and 68 percent of undergraduate students lived on campus.[6]

As of 2024, the school offered certificates in culinary arts;[11] associate degrees in baking and pastry arts and culinary arts;[12] bachelor's degrees in food business management, hospitality management, applied food studies, and culinary science, as well as culinary arts and baking and pastry arts degrees for transfer students;[13] and master's degrees in culinary arts, food business, Sustainable food systems, and wine and beverage management.[14]


References

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  6. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference PR2024 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  7. ^ "CIA Accelerated Culinary Arts Certificate Program (ACAP)". The Culinary Institute of America. Retrieved April 24, 2024.
  8. ^ "CIA Associate Degree Programs". The Culinary Institute of America. Retrieved April 24, 2024.
  9. ^ "CIA Bachelor's Degree Programs". The Culinary Institute of America. Retrieved April 24, 2024.
  10. ^ "CIA Master's Degree Programs". The Culinary Institute of America. Retrieved April 24, 2024.
  11. ^ "CIA Accelerated Culinary Arts Certificate Program (ACAP)". The Culinary Institute of America. Retrieved April 24, 2024.
  12. ^ "CIA Associate Degree Programs". The Culinary Institute of America. Retrieved April 24, 2024.
  13. ^ "CIA Bachelor's Degree Programs". The Culinary Institute of America. Retrieved April 24, 2024.
  14. ^ "CIA Master's Degree Programs". The Culinary Institute of America. Retrieved April 24, 2024.
Demographics of student body (Fall 2022)[1][2][3]
Racial composition Student body New York (2020) US (2023)
Black 7% 12.4% 13.6%
Asian 8% 6% 6.3%
White 46% 61.6% 58.9%
Hispanic and Latino 19% 18.7% 19.1%
International 11% N/A N/A
Two or more races 5% 10.2% 3%

References

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  2. ^ "New York: 2020 Census". United States Census Bureau. August 25, 2021. Retrieved May 31, 2024.
  3. ^ "Quick Facts". United States Census Bureau. 2023. Retrieved May 31, 2024.
That should cover it. Thanks for taking a look! BINK Robin (talk) 15:50, 4 June 2024 (UTC)
@BINK Robin: The tables really get screwed up with the templates. Instead of posting the whole infobox, just post the lines that change. And the before and after prose isn't just changing numbers - you rewrote a bit also. I'll revisit later. STEMinfo (talk) 00:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)
@STEMinfo: You know, I could have made those prose changes more prominent. That was an oversight on my part. Below is a text diff of just the lines that I'd like to update in the Infobox. As for the rest, I can request those changes separately if you like. Thanks for your patience here. Cheers, BINK Robin (talk) 17:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
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|chairman = [[Jon L. Luther]]<ref name="AR2015-6"/>[[Jon L. Luther]]<ref name="AR2015-6"/> <br/> |academic_staff = 170<ref name="Faculty"/> |undergrad =2,918 |postgrad =
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|chairman = [[Jon L. Luther]]<ref name="AR2015-6"/>John C. Metz Jr.<ref>{{cite web |title=Culinary Institute of America elects John C. Metz Jr. chairman of the board |website=The Culinary Institute of America |date=October 28, 2022 |access-date=April 29, 2024 |url=https://www.ciachef.edu/john-c-metz-jr-chairman-of-the-board-release/}}</ref><br/> |academic_staff = 197<ref name=NCES>{{cite web |title=College Navigator: Culinary Institute of America |website=National Center for Education Statistics |publisher=United States Department of Education |access-date=April 24, 2024 |url=https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=Culinary+Institute+of+America&s=all&id=190503}}</ref><br/> |undergrad = 3,005 (Fall 2022)<ref name=NCES/> |postgrad = 119 (Fall 2022)<ref name=NCES/>

BINK Robin (talk) 17:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

 Done @BINK Robin: FYI that you still had Jon Luther's name in the requested text. Also, you might want to let them know that an old indexed but inaccessible otherwise page on their web site still says Luther is Chairman. See this link. STEMinfo (talk) 22:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
@STEMinfo: Thank you! I’ll pass your note along. I’ve marked this request as answered and will revisit the enrollment and admissions changes later on. Cheers! BINK Robin (talk) 21:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Clarification Needed

I dropped a {{huh}} tag in the Organization section, because I found the wording clunky and unhelpful. I've copied the sentence I placed it in below.

There is proportionately a large number of departments, [sic] for operating various functions related to foodservice classes and restaurants.

I really only think we need a clarification on the first part of the sentence (before the comma), but once we have a clarification we should probably reword the whole thing to be more easy to read. Unfortunately, the cited source is a study the school did of itself, and I suspect (based on the "via CIA Archives and Special Collections" tag that one would only be able to access the source itself from one of the Culinary's campuses, possibly only the main Hyde Park one. In effect I'm asking, "proportionally to what?" Hamtechperson 01:32, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

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