Talk:The End of Everything (novel)

GA Review

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Nominator: Sammielh (talk · contribs) 09:24, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Chiswick Chap (talk · contribs) 15:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

This nicely-structured article seems to be well-cited and well-written, so I expect I'll only have minor comments to make. If you could reply briefly with "Done" or something similar to each comment, that'd be appreciated. I'll strike my comments once I'm satisfied they've been dealt with appropriately. Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Comments

• Not sure I'd bother to mention Publishers Weekly in the lead (specially not twice!), it's just the trade rag, and you have real newspapers right next to it. In fact I'm not sure I'd mention it in 'Reception' either unless you are going to actually quote from the review (but you'll get better quotes nearly anywhere else).
  • I had no idea about Publishers Weekly (or Kirkus). I've kept it in the body but removed one of the instances from the lead.

• Plot is a little bit too long, 715 words as against a standard 600. It shouldn't be too hard to trim it down.
  • Somehow thought the recommendation was 700 words. Cut down!

• "Period noir" is linked to noir fiction but the phrase doesn't occur in that article. Would be nice to add and cite a mention of it there really; failing that, best just tweak the text and link "noir fiction" directly.
  • Changed to noir fiction

• "which became part of Little, Brown, in the United States and by Picador in the United Kingdom." --- doesn't quite work, needs a little re-punctuation or rephrasing.
  • Rephrased

• Please link Alfred Hitchcock.
  • Can't believe I missed that! Done

• "It received a critical review" --- Best start with "The novel" or "The book" here.
  • Done

• What did Elle not like about the plot twist? Usually these are good things.
  • Expanded slightly although it's not the clearest explanation

• In fact, the reception comments are all very brief. It would be nice to hear a bit more about what the reviewers actually liked or disliked about the book. A few more quotations would be acceptable, or of course you can paraphrase the reviewers' opinions.
  • Expanded

• For instance, I'm not sure you've quite done justice to Hornby, who speaks of the "dangerous terrain" of teenage girls/middle-aged men. He's both clear and detailed, so perhaps we could hear a little more from him.
  • Expanded

Images

• Cover image is fair use to identify the book.

• The other image is a PD publicity still from a film.

Sources

• Some of the authors, such as David W. Brown and Hallie Ephron, have articles and should be wikilinked in the refs please. There may be some others.
  • Done

• As mentioned, I'm not sure of the value of citing Publishers Weekly: not exactly a home of post-modern literary criticism and incisive analysis.

• Kirkus Reviews is also rather a weak source, not least because publishers (and authors) often pay them to write a not-exactly-independent review: that's how Kirkus makes its loot, if I understand it right. Since we have much better sources here, up to the NYT and the LA Times, I think we could safely ditch the wobblier sources.
  • I removed Kirkus from the reception section so it's only used to verify the publication date; as no opinions are cited to these sources, I'd prefer to keep them for their present uses

• Spot checks I tried all check out.

Summary

• Basically everything seems to be in order here, so I expect to see this as a GA as soon as you've addressed my mostly very minor remarks. There is no quid pro quo at GAN but of course if you'd like to review one of my articles, I'd be delighted. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:01, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
  • @Chiswick Chap: Thank you so much for picking this up! Comments above Sammielh (talk) 16:41, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
    • @Sammielh: Publishers Weekly item?
      • Oh, I see, you've replied above. Ok, that's fine, passing now. There's no QPQ at GAN but if you'd like to review one of my articles, of course I'd be delighted. Good work. Chiswick Chap (talk) 12:58, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by SL93 talk 02:56, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

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• ... that Megan Abbott receives the most negative letters from readers for The End of Everything?

• Source: Adams, Annie (July 1, 2018). "A Conversation with Megan Abbott". The Sewanee Review. 126 (3). ISSN 0037-3052. EBSCOhost 130742576. Retrieved August 18, 2018.

• ALT1: ... that The End of Everything is narrated by "a Grimm's fairy tale version of a Nancy Drew"? Source: Mair, Elizabeth Floyd (November 4, 2011). "Unfinished story gets an ending". Times Union. Retrieved August 18, 2023.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Marie Catharine Neal

Improved to Good Article status by Sammielh (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

Sammielh (talk) 17:01, 19 May 2024 (UTC).

• Article clears the criteria. Passed GA review within 7 days of nom, long enough, well-sourced for sure. Presentable. For the hooks, they're both sourced properly and both are interesting. I personally prefer ALT0. QPQ has been completed, so good job and this is good to go to the DYK section. Soulbust (talk) 01:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)