Talk:The Garden of Sinners

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ISBNs[edit]

Could we get some ISBNs for the Kodansha editions? Cohen the Bavarian 15:15, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We could: it's as easy as visiting the ja: article. Would this information be of interest to readers of the English Wikipedia? It's proabably of dubious usefulness to readers that can't read Japanese, and readers that can will click the ja: link, I guess. I've checked a few light novel pages, and the only one I saw listing ISBNs is Haruhi Suzumiya (light novels) (which seems a bit unique in that it specifically covers the novels and not the anime and manga adaptations). Bikasuishin (talk) 20:46, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name[edit]

Does Kara no Kyoukai translate to "Border of the sky" or "Borderline of Emptiness"? Psi edit 00:20, 10 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

From [[1]] : '"Akashic Records" is a name used to actually be able to pronounce 「　」, which is also referred to as "void", emptiness (空, kara). Although, because the Akashic Records is a name, it automatically can't be said to be the same anymore, since 「　」 is just emptiness.'
So, it's "Borderline of emptiness" or "Borderline of void", but with a second meaning. 78.0.157.192 (talk) 16:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

境界 is border, boundary, or edge, while 境界線 is border line. I'm changing the translation to "Edge of Emptiness". -- creamyhorror, May 09, 2009

Films[edit]

The films probably should be split into independent articles, if they are notable. Girolamo Savonarola (talk) 05:57, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well since it's more a series of films some might disagree with that approach. I think some summaries of the chapter would be good though. -- Psi edit (talk) 19:46, 10 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Do we really need a scene by scene summary of the movies? Does it really contribute to know that Shiki eats ice cream, or would a brief summary suffice? --84.196.4.131 (talk) 00:23, 4 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline[edit]

Is it really required? Novel and movie timeline are apparently slightly different (due to Kokutou saying the first line of chapter 2), and pointing out the difference would probably count as a huge spoiler (the timeline currently used in the article would be the novel's). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.224.189.229 (talk) 14:11, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don't know what you're talking about; both have the same timeline. 71.175.67.27 (talk)

Summon Night?[edit]

In the first movie there is a mention of "summon night light novels", Is it a mention of something outside the world of the anime or Is it from the anime's universe? I can't seem to find anything related to "summon night" aside from the GBA games, wich is clearly not it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.232.179.85 (talk) 01:49, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This question might be a result of one of the fansub groups mistranslations.Kacpy (talk) 13:25, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The line in question is 三文小説 (samon shousetsu) which means "cheap novel". Someone probably heard the samon part wrongly as summon. 218.186.13.1 (talk) 13:40, 11 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Song titles[edit]

Okay, I'm going to refute your latest attempt at trying to win this argument. At WP:ALBUMCAPS, it states In titles of songs or albums in a language other than English, the project standard is to use the capitalization utilized by that language, not the English capitalization. (If you are unsure about the capitalization standards of other languages, check the foreign-language Wikipedias or the MusicBrainz documentation.) The titles of the songs are originally in English, thus you cannot use the MusicBrainz documentation as backup.--十八 00:28, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend having a blast on Kotoko's discography page. Kacpy (talk) 18:15, 26 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A question[edit]

If I were only able to show two of the movies to a new audience, which ones (that have been released yet) would you recommend? 137.112.131.112 (talk) 01:11, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If you don't want them to damage their brains trying to figure out what the hell is going on and who's who, show the 2nd ("Murder Speculation (1st Part)") and then the 4th ("The Hollow Shrine"). They're the first in chronological order, and thus give an opportunity to introduce properly the characters. I remember being lost after watching the first movie because I knew nothing about the series... Some might argue otherwise, that the 1st and 3rd movies give the viewers more action--which they DO--and are therefore more "entertaining" in a sense, but I'd rather not sacrifice comprehension for mere show-off. And besides, the end of the 4th movie will definitely prompt many (we all hope!) audience members to ask for more, because that's when you feel like the series is really starting! (Why oh why did they have to thrash out so badly the chronology? Was it really--that is, artistically--necessary to do so? I'd have understood the familiar "in media res" overall composition or design, but rocking back and forth like that... Oh well.) Any other opinions out there? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Howdoesitflee (talk • contribs) 02:53, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More stuff[edit]

Here a the translation of an interview in 2 parts [2][3] --KrebMarkt 22:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The article needs a section detailing what the hell the novels are about. You have a brief "these are novels" in the first paragraph and then it just jumps into detailing the history and the specific movies without ever explaining the type of novel, brief rundown or any kind of basic info. The article could use less "Mikiya Kokutō brings over some ice cream while visiting Shiki, but Shiki is not happy to see him and adamantly refuses to eat any of it." and more useful information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.0.244.76 (talk) 21:58, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is difficult when you consider that there isn't just one plot. Each segment is basically standalone but I don't know any word to accurately describe the entire series as a whole. I even have trouble describing it to my friends. Any suggesstions? --68.123.152.132 (talk) 08:38, 16 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the novels/films are difficult to describe because of the various plot elements, but there are various things in this article that are just plain overkill. Here's a few examples

 * Mikiya Kokutō brings over some ice cream while visiting Shiki, but Shiki is not happy to see him and 
   adamantly refuses to eat any of it.
 * Shiki eats the ice cream that Kokutō bought using her remaining arm.
 * Shiki demands that he stay over at her house to finish the ice cream he bought

Seriously? Is the icecream such a major deal in the plot that it needs to mentioned 3 times, or for that matter at all? Maybe there should be a paragraph or two about bottled water, since those appear in the movies too. How about possible speculation on what the icecream symbolizes, instead of the plot device that it is to introduce Kokuto and point out the leather jacket.

Take a look at Paradox Spiral. The "summary" is even split up in three arcs. The author even gave up after the first arc, probably tired of all that "summarizing", rewinding the movie to start to verify that he's captured every single frame perfectly, then fell asleep rereading what he wrote and woke up just in time to write a wall of text for the 6th movie.

The novels are only 900 pages long in total, maybe a summary should be less than 1% of that length? --84.196.4.131 (talk) 19:07, 18 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Needs Synopsis and trimming[edit]

Add an overall plot section, and not "who went and talked to whom" rundowns of each movie which serve no purpose. Wikipedia is supposed to give you information about a subject, not flood you with inane details.

If I want to be informed about this particular work of fiction I would like a brief synopsis that explains what the work is about. Instead there are blocks of text about stuff only relevant to fans and otaku.

The whole page looks like a cryptic mess that only speaks to people who already know enough about the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.136.243.25 (talk) 18:28, 5 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Now trimmed and summarized. The information that was there already on another page of its own, so no new page was created for it. A22 (talk) 01:54, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Review(s)[edit]

Mania.com: BR #1 BR #2 BR #3 BR #4 BR #5 BR #6 BR #7
ANN: BR #1-7 anime interview

--KrebMarkt (talk) 19:07, 31 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]