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Did you know... that Jennifer Lawrence was so anxious about performing "The Hanging Tree" in The Hunger Games: Mockingjay – Part 1 that she wanted to lip sync to a professional singer?

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Requested move[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, but move the Marty Robbins song to The Hanging Tree (Marty Robbins song), per the discussion below. Please adjust redirects and fix links as necessary. Dekimasuよ! 07:27, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Hanging Tree (The Hunger Games song) → The Hanging Tree (James Newton Howard song) – more specific. DEW. Adrenaline (Nahnah4) 04:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I think we should move the article "The Hanging Tree (song)" to something else. DEW. Adrenaline (Nahnah4) 04:40, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support RM as per itunes etc. and as per WP:AT re sensible wording. "The Hanging Tree" was not "The Hunger Games song". There were also many others. Also support a move of "The Hanging Tree (song)". Gregkaye ✍♪ 13:59, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Another suggestion would be The Hanging Tree (Mockingjay song) as this is a song which appears originally in that novel. The rationale for the proposed move does not make sense. Parenthetical disambiguation does not have to be specific. I would disagree with the proposed move, as it would not be recognizable. Elizium23 (talk) 12:42, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - this is a franchise song. But merge or not WP:NCM requires now a move and fixing all the links to The Hanging Tree (Marty Robbins song) In ictu oculi (talk) 09:39, 6 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose "The Hanging Tree (James Newton Howard song)", support "The Hanging Tree (song)" as no other song article is titled "The Hanging Tree". Snuggums (talk / edits) 17:40, 7 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes there is. Elizium23 (talk) 00:50, 8 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger proposal[edit]

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The result of the merge request was: oppose. Robman94 (talk) 04:49, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I propose that The Hanging Tree (The Hunger Games song) be merged into The Hunger Games: Mockingjay – Part 1. The song is most applicable to the film and discussed in that context. The information on the song is, at present, not enough to produce undue weight in the film article. *Seen a Mike * 15:14, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If merging, it would be better to merge into The Hunger Games: Mockingjay, Part 1 – Original Motion Picture Soundtrack. Songs tend to redirect to parent albums more often than films. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:20, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I support a merge to the soundtrack article. This article should then be gutted and simply redirect to the soundtrack. AadaamS (talk) 15:41, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

All references are chart lists ... I fail to see how this article satisfies the WP:GNG. If it is to remain a standalone article, WP:RS need to be found. AadaamS (talk) 13:10, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

If merged, I agree with SNUGGUMS that the album page would be better location than my previously suggested film article. It seemed that there might be enough WP:RS concerning the song to pass WP:GNG and WP:NSONGS, so I tried to add. However, most of the sources repeated the same information about the performance. I added that information to this article. I still support merging. *Seen a Mike * 17:47, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose, this song has peaked at #12 and is notable, which deserves a stand-alone article. DEW. Adrenaline (Nahnah4) 08:48, 18 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly Oppose - the song has charted in st least 17 countries, has reached the top 10 in 8 of them and the number 1 spot in 2 of them. Furthermore, there are articles specifically about the song in Billboard (magazine), Metro (British newspaper), The Huffington Post, USA Today, Entertainment Weekly, CBS News, E!, People (magazine), The Hollywood Reporter, The Washington Post, Vogue (magazine) and Us (magazine). Robman94 (talk) 18:07, 31 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose any song that charted, especially at a high number of countries, deserves its own article. Royal broil 03:39, 2 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - the article could probably use a little bit of work and expansion, but it meets notability guidelines. The sheer number of countries it has charted in makes a case for an independent article, so there is somewhere to list these accomplishments. Songsteel (talk) 05:47, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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James Newton Howard[edit]

Can someone please explain to me why this song is being attributed to James Newton Howard (in the infobox of this article as well as on YouTube)? According to this article (and other sources), the lyrics were written by Suzanne Collins, the music was composed by Jeremiah Fraites and Wesley Schultz (Lumineers), and the song was sung by Jennifer Lawrence. What did Howard have to do with it, and how can that be so important as to justify his top billing in the infobox ("Single by James Newton Howard")? Johnson487682 (talk) 14:27, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Because he is credited as the performer on the album. Here is its iTunes listing. Elizium23 (talk) 17:22, 10 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize for not being clear. I think you are telling me that he is listed as the performer in Wikipedia because he is listed as the performer in iTunes (and other reference material cited by Wikipedia). However, that's not what I was trying to ask. I'm not challenging the correctness of the excellent material you placed in this Wikipedia article, but rather I'm wondering why the music industry does this. He neither wrote a note of this song, played a note of it, wrote a word of these lyrics, nor sang a syllable of them, so why does he deserve top billing? Johnson487682 (talk) 16:58, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This talk page is not a general forum for discussion of the topic. It is for discussing improvements to the article. Elizium23 (talk) 18:17, 12 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It would improve the article if it told us exactly what Mr. Howard had to do with anything. As it is, it sounds like confusion. 50.180.19.238 (talk) 03:36, 3 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

At this stage the article is contradictory, the text say that the music was written by Fraites & Schultz and the lyrics by Collins, yet the infobox lists Howard among the writer(s). AadaamS (talk) 15:39, 15 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Radio edit[edit]

@SNUGGUMS: A radio edit/remix was released to mainstream radio, and this information was in OZODOR's reference when they first posted it (unfortunately, it wasn't archived). It is mentioned here, but I don't know if that is a good enough source. --Random86 (talk) 07:28, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Not really- it is based off of a Lorde fan's word from Twitter, and I don't know how reliable The Morning Bulletin is. It is OZODOR's burden to support claims with reliable sources, and failed to do so with that link. "Failed" archives are moot when no source is even provided. Snuggums (talk / edits) 07:32, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, what about Fuse?: 1 OZODOR (Talk to me!) 07:37, 14 December 2014 (UTC) It says here at Billboard.com that the label was in fact launching the song to all radio formats (but I happened to only find it being released to mainstream radio): Read here OZODOR (Talk to me!) 07:43, 14 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Better, though I should mention that neither of those sources explicitly gives a release date. Snuggums (talk / edits) 22:27, 16 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Multiple Billboard mentions[edit]

Hi @Holiday56:, doesn't the mentions of multiple Billboard charts fall under WP:CHARTMATH? I'm by no means a chart expert, pls clarify your interpretation of the guideline and how it applies/does not apply to the extra charts added. AadaamS (talk) 08:25, 27 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Look further down that article (WP:USCHARTS). Hot 100 Airplay is a specific component to the Hot 100 itself and these specific format charts (Adult/Mainstream Top 40) aren't. Holiday56 (talk) 05:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: MikeOwen (talk · contribs) 21:33, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Lead and infobox[edit]

It summarizes the article well, I like it.

Background and release[edit]

The source used after ""The Hanging Tree" is composed in the key of A minor with a "moderately, somewhat freely" tempo of 88 beats per minute. Lawrence's vocals span a range of E3 to A5 and its chord progression follows a basic sequence of A5–Am–Asus–F/A." doesn't really back up this statement. Please use another one, maybe from Musicnotes.com.
Just a small thing, but remove the space between to semi colon and the source at ""The Hanging Tree" was released as part of the film's score soundtrack on 24 November 2014; it is accompanied..."

Composition and use in book[edit]

Also great, but add a source at the end of " Peeta Mellark, Katniss's love interest, associates "The Hanging Tree" with her father; he heard him sing the song once when he traded goods at his parent's bakery." or re-use one.

Reception and promotion[edit]

Great, but clarify when Newton Howard was in tears. Use a second source if necessary.
I don't think you need to wikilink Newton Howard a second time.

Track listing[edit]

Fine.

Personnel[edit]

Could you use a better source than AllMusic? I found it a bit confusing, because it didn't say for which song all the credits were. Maybe use the album's liner notes.

Charts[edit]

Fine.

Release history[edit]

Fine.

Final comments[edit]

This article reads well, congrats. Apart from what I've pointed out, the sources are fine too. Once all the issues have been addressed, I will be delighted to pass it. Have a great week-end. MikeOwen ^discuss 21:33, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@MikeOwen: I took care of all your suggestions but I am confused on the bit about the source used for the song's arrangements. You mention that it does not back up the previous statement. How so? If you are referring to the arrangement itself, the source I used was actually from Musicnotes.com. Just want a clarification on that part. Thank you for reviewing this article! De88 (talk) 22:47, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@De88: Oh sorry, my bad. Everything seems fine, I will ✓ Pass this.. Have a great weekend! MikeOwen ^discuss 22:55, 22 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

hi[edit]

hi, what about tiktok meme? it made hype for this song Droppank (talk) 04:11, 27 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]