Talk:The Internationale/Archives/2011

Chinese lyrics

I have a question regarding the Chinese version of l'Internationale. It states that the Internationale was sung during the Tienamen Square riots of 1989. Did they use a different version? -Daniel Blanchette 23:36, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

A resounding no. They sang the same version that Mao Zedong and Deng Xiaoping sang when they were young. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 23:59, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

As the Chinese lyrics are used as the anthem of the Chinese Communist Party, I just wonder if it has ever been banned in Taiwan administered by the Republic of China. I think the answer is yes since the March of the Volunteers as the anthem of the Communist China was banned in Taiwan until 1990s.--Jusjih 04:11, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Not sure. But I did add some stuff on its use during the Tiananmen Massacre. Sent an email to Amnesty International since a 1989 report by them seems to note that the students sang the song repeatedly. This should provide quite authoritative. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 04:39, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

The Internationale is not banned in China. I've removed the speculation on that. See also the discussion on Qu Qiubai. —Babelfisch 07:37, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

If you know something contrary to the frequently rumored ban, you should probably present them together instead of removing the speculation totally. What you think is not just a speculation, but a widely circulated rumor that has yet to be better investigated. There are always widely reported allegations even if most people cannot prove their truthfulness. A similar claim that I know is about Shen Chung (zh:沈崇) reportedly raped by American troop on 24 December 1946 while unconfirmed report has suggested that she has claimed that she was not raped. Since the Chinese Communists even banned the March of the Volunteers during the Cultural revolution for political reasons, banning the Internationale might be politically possible, maybe zhao1ling4 xi4gai3 (朝令夕改, morning's order changed in the evening). After all, we should take a better search about whether the Internationale has ever been banned in Red China.--Jusjih 03:36, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

On a separate note, I've got the Amnesty International report and confirmed the singing of the Internationale, which was quoted in the report. Those pesky commies at Tiananmen can finally die honourably. -- Миборовский ^{U|T|C|M|E|Chugoku Banzai!} 04:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

As I said in the discussion on Qu Qiubai, a simple search on the Internet returns many official occasions where it was recently sung, such as this report on Renmin Ribao: Jìniàn dàhuì shàng zòuxiǎng Guójìgē 纪念大会上奏响国际歌 ("The Internationale" sung at the memorial meeting). That was on September 3rd, 2005. (I've personally heard The Internationale on several official occasions in China, live and on TV, between 1992 and now.) If it was ever banned, it must have been a temporary ban at a local level. The rumors I've read about suggest that. But a Wikipedia article is not the right place to write about rumors, unless they are verified as facts, or exposed as false rumors. —Babelfisch 09:21, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I have heard of unconfirmed local bans in China. We have to check Wikipedia:Verifiability as well. What I cannot yet verify is whether the Internationale was ever banned in Taiwan administered by the Republic of China while the March of the Volunteers was known to be banned there.--Jusjih 03:11, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

the 英 "ying" does not really mean "england". on its own it means "person of talent or wisdom". however, it is also commonly used for transliteration purposes, just as it is used for the full chinese name for "england", "yinggelan" 英格兰

Thanks for the clarification. Arbitrary username 11:50, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

The idea of Internationale ever being banned in PRC is quite crazy and ignorant in my opinion. Perhaps, they could have removed something which contained the melody or the lyrics... But banning an official Communist Party anthem, which is and was played and sung on the opening of every major party congress... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.251.112.214 (talk) 21:52, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism and self promotion in Parody section.

This great article was vandalized 24 hours after the "Parody" was made. I suggest the whole section be deleted. You don't see any other self-promotion on the 12 or so other "national anthems" They've parodied. This song of all songs does not deserve a self promotional parody section in here of all songs. I suggest an immediate removal of the "Parody Section" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.100.238 (talk) 01:55, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

So fix it. I see you already have, thanks! --The Σ ^talk_contribs 01:59, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Two Russian Versions

Is it really needed, there is one audio clip in the beginning and one near the end. They sound the same. Maybe someone try and find a version in another language 71.173.90.180 (talk) 13:36, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

"International Democratic Movement"?

The sidebar links to the communist, socialist and anarchist movements, and then links to"International Democratic Movement", which takes the reader to an article on democracy. This is not discussed in the article, and is an odd connection to make. Marx, engels and their league were communists within the revolutionary democratic movement in 1848 but the international's anthem cannot be considered the anthem of the democratic movement. Anyone have a source for this connection? Otherwise, it should be removed.--74.198.164.199 (talk) 17:22, 14 November 2011 (UTC)