Talk:The Message (Coates book)

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@The Midnite Wolf: The Message (Bible) exists. The extra dab wasn't a mistake on my part. It was deliberate, like all of my edits. Wish you would have discussed this beforehand. Οἶδα (talk) 21:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And now you've added a hatnote. So you understand an other article exists. Simply by recency, there is no primary topic. Οἶδα (talk) 21:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's fair. I guess I wasn't really counting a paraphrase of the Bible as an original "book" in my mind but that's probably wrong. I have no objection to moving the page back. The Midnite Wolf (talk) 22:08, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah. I'll admit it's not as pleasing of a dab but the book has no subtitle so WP:BOOKDAB applies. Οἶδα (talk) 22:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

szalai review—missing context?

Hello, I've adjusted the portion of the review section regarding the Szalai review in the NYT. Szalai was questioning Coates mentioning neither Oct 7 attacks nor the subsequent Israeli bombardment of the Gaza strip. The article here only mentioned the non-mention of the Oct 7 attacks, which puts what appears to be a more pro-Israel spin on the original largely positive review. I've added the bare minimum needed context for now, but I think the section might need to be further adjusted to not mislead readers into thinking critical reception (at least Szalai's) is more negative or pro-Israel than in reality. Cheers! 217.105.32.210 (talk) 09:50, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

editing to add—the section regarding the CBS Morning interview is framed as a review, with Dokoupil's stances being presented without Coates responses, which obscures the nature of the segment as an intervie of Coates; it is not clear what makes this interview-debate-review noteworthy in a "Reception" section, or what would make solely Dokoupil's questions noteworthy and not Coates's answers. this also needs adjustment, any ideas? 217.105.32.210 (talk) 09:59, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The comments could be moved to a publication section in relation to the book's promotion. However, a reception section need not only contain professional reviewers' opinions. Influential voices are generally considered worthy of inclusion to represent how a book was received. Οἶδα (talk) 04:29, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for mentioning this. I'm paywalled so I can't read the review, but I also noticed Book Marks characterized Szalai's review as a "rave", which suggests it may be misleading for us to use a snippet that makes the review sound negative. 217.105, or anyone else reading with NYT access, do you want to edit to provide a more representative summary? Graue (talk) 01:29, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another reason to not put much faith into Book Marks and other ill-suited literary aggregation. I added an archive link (http://archive.today/2024.09.29-124459/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/29/books/review/ta-nehisi-coates-the-message.html) so readers like yourself can access it without being paywalled. Anyway, I read the review and that specific criticism sounded most direct and concrete to me so I added it. I didn't mention in my initial reply here, but Szalai's review is hardly even a review. It is more of an author feature with a bit of summary and context. I would love to hear your evaluation of the review because I honestly cannot find anything which suggests this is a "rave" review in any of its 12 paragraphs. Only the 10th and penultimate paragraph seem to add any critiques, albeit in only soft and passive terms. Οἶδα (talk) 07:39, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]