Talk:The Microsoft Sound

We should put something about it[edit]

If we have to Delete it. Maybe we should merge it with Windows 95 or Windows 98 or add more information on it and post some links to where we can find these sounds. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tralala23 (talk • contribs) 22:20, February 2, 2007 UTC.

Changes[edit]

Be good to have the file names and locations for all versions of windows. (Help people get rid of it...) Rich Farmbrough, 10:26 28 July 2007 (GMT).

Sounds good. I will make a start with Windows 95, but others who run other versions of Windows will have to add to it. HairyWombat 23:48, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Somebody is now complaining because the fact that under Windows 95 the file is C:\Windows\Media\The Microsoft Sound.wav is uncited. Well, I run Windows 95, and that is where it is. I have looked for an appropriate cite template. I found {{cite book}} and {{cite web}}, but couldn't find {{cite I looked at the bloody file}}. The problem, here, I would suggest is too much reading of guidelines and not enough thinking about their purpose. HairyWombat 19:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"{{cite I looked at the bloody file}}" goes against Wikipedia:No original research. SchuminWeb (Talk) 20:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No it doesn't (it is not an "unpublished fact"). Anymore than we need to cite a secondary source for any non-controversial content/format observation. For example, that the Harry Potter series contains seven books, and is about a young wizard called Harry Potter. Rich Farmbrough, 21:26 4 August 2007 (GMT).

See also..[1] Rich Farmbrough, 10:27 28 July 2007 (GMT).

See also, also Brian Eno#The Microsoft Sound for the same interview. HairyWombat 23:48, 3 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Microsoft has a KB article on that file: KB168789. There are several Microsoft Sound articles in their knowledge base. – Dreadstar † 22:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, then, explain this to me: What does this add to the article? In an article about the sound clip itself, discussing the path to the sound file doesn't add anything to the article. SchuminWeb (Talk) 08:31, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Location, location, location..;) Perhaps it's similar to saying that Chicago is located in Illinois? ;) – Dreadstar † 08:39, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First, does this mean you are no longer claiming this is original research? If you still have doubts then there is more discussion over on Wikipedia talk:No original research#{{cite I looked at the bloody file}} where I asked for guidance on this. HairyWombat 20:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dreadstar did find an acceptable source for the information. However, as stated on the talk page you cited, what is verifiable is not always notable, and what is notable is not always verifiable. I don't think that information is sufficiently notable for inclusion in the article, especially not in that form. SchuminWeb (Talk) 23:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I already addressed this immediately below, which perhaps you missed. Also, perhaps you could say what form you feel would be better. HairyWombat 08:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Second, what the completed table will add to the article is twofold. It will allow people using any Windows system to immediately see where their start-up sound file is located. This will be useful in case they wish to zap it (as Rich Farmbrough originally suggested), or to change it. In addition, it will show how the start-up sound file has evolved over time through the different versions of Windows. HairyWombat 20:36, 5 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see a problem including the file locations in this article. If the subject of the Microsoft Sound is notable enough for its own article, then including the file's location should be fine. However, you may want to review WP:NOT#HOWTO for more information on including "how to" information in a Wikipedia article. – Dreadstar † 09:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Check this out too: Hosts file location and layout. – Dreadstar † 09:15, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Click here[2] to see the layout I was using. I like this form, but "%windir%\Media\The Microsoft Sound.wav" would be even better. HairyWombat 10:29, 6 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Copy pasted below. Rich Farmbrough, 05:51 7 August 2007 (GMT).

File names and locations[edit]

Version	File name and location
tada.wav
%windir%\Media\The Microsoft Sound.wav

Could others please add to this table. When it is resonably complete, it can be transferred back into the article. HairyWombat 06:41, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Table updated to best of knowledge. NOTE: Neither Windows Vista, nor Windows 7 have the MS Sound.

Finding the wav file[edit]

It would be great if the Wikipedia article could point curious readers who don't have Windows95 to where they can listen to Brian Eno's famous composition on the web. I haven't been able to find that information through google, so maybe Microsoft prevents people from posting the wav file for intellectual property reasons, which I think is weird -- having commissioned a song from a famous composer is good PR for them, even though it was a while ago now.

On the subject of the original research ban, I find it bizarre that giving basic how-to information is considered original research. Since the first encyclopedias in the 18th, and certainly in Britannica, encyclopedias include this class of information. For instance, an article on the bowline knot would explain how to tie it. 68.40.181.69 (talk) 21:28, 31 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about the Shutdown Sound?[edit]

Windows has a complementary sound at shutdown to go with the startup sound but niether this article nor the Brian Eno article mentions it at all. Did he create both or is it by somebody else or just too trivial to even have a composer? — Hippietrail (talk) 20:17, 26 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal[edit]

I propose that this article be moved to its section at Brian Eno. This article should also redirect to that section. Lumaga (talk) 20:33, 12 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Against merge _Vi (talk) 01:45, 7 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Against. In fact, I propose the reverse: the section in the Eno article (with it's extensive quote) is too long and should be moved here. — Aldaron • T/C 13:02, 8 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Against. This article can easily stand on it's own sans redirect. ShawnIsHere (talk) 06:35, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't merge[edit]

I went looking for info on "The Microsoft Sound" today and I think it (they) deserve their own article. Not sure I would have been able to find it if the info was buried in a Brian Eno article or in a series of Windows articles. I like the idea of a table with all the sounds. That would have completed my search. Rcarlberg (talk) 17:51, 3 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]