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Not actual name
[edit]Anyone who has the album would know that the song is actually simply called "The Roof". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.8 (talk • contribs) 22:17, 29 May 2006.
- The single release is not "occasionally" titled "The Roof (Back in Time)"; every track listing for the single I've read lists it with that subtitle (see, for example, [1]). Extraordinary Machine 21:24, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
Except that it was only released as a single in like 5 small countries where it didn't do very well. It is much more widely know as and refered to as simply "The Roof". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.40 (talk • contribs) 11:19, 12 June 2006.
- So are you saying that the article should be moved to The Roof? (Or possibly The Roof (song), as there are films and other things titled "The Roof".) Extraordinary Machine 20:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes, probably —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.40 (talk • contribs) 14:44, 5 July 2006.
- Okay, done. Extraordinary Machine 21:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
The Roof already links to this page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.93.21.134 (talk • contribs) 17:34, 10 July 2006.
- Yes, but I'm about to turn it into a disambiguation page. Also, in the infobox the title should be written as "The Roof (Back in Time)", because that's what it was called when it was released as a single and the infobox is an infobox for singles. Extraordinary Machine 19:58, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Adabow (talk · contribs) 20:17, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- a dab link
- What is the name of the song, "The Roof" or "The Roof (Back in Time)"? Adabow (talk · contribs) 20:49, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Its officially "The Roof (Back in Time)" but is usually shortened to "The Roof" :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Composition
[edit]- Link contemporary R&B (lower case 'c', too)
- Eb ♭ major should be 'E{{music|flat}} major' and link to E-flat major
- A♭-F♭-1 - no dash between F♭ and 1
- "spans from the note of Eb♭3" → "spans from the low note of E♭3"
- Link piano and guitar
- "Aside from assisting with its writing and chord progression" - wouldn't chord progression be part of writing
- Nickson's quote should have spaced en dashes instead of unspaced hyphens
- There is no mention of the sample of "Shook Ones part II", which you note in the lead
Critical reception
[edit]- Slant Magazine should not be in italics as it is online-only
- MOS:QUOTE - quotes in quotes should have inverted commas - ie 'The Shook Ones', not "The Shook Ones". The same with 'liberated' with 'Moet'
Commercial reception
[edit]- 'top-100' should be 'top 100'
- "In The Netherlands, it performed weakly as well, peaking at number sixty-three while spending five weeks fluctuating in the charts" → In the Netherlands, it performed weakly as well, peaking at number sixty-three while spending five weeks fluctuating in the Dutch Singles Chart.
- The Dutch Chart ref does not actually verify anything about the song. Can I suggest [2] instead? Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:16, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Music video
[edit]- File:Mariah-carey-the-roof.jpg should be shrunk, and needs a link to the video
- As above, Slant Magazine not in italics
- Caption of screenshot should be 'The video showing a wet Carey in the back of the limousine' (no full stop)
Live performances
[edit]- The lead and this section give different ideas. The Japanese performances aren't in here, and the lead gives the impression that the song was performed on all tour legs
Formats and track listings
[edit]- Source?
- A 12" single is mentioned in the infobox, but makes not appearance here.
Credits and personnel
[edit]- Are these in any particular order? If not, they should go alphabetically.
- Thats the order it shows in the album's liner notes. The last 2 are only credited because of the samples.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:06, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- OK, that's fine. Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:09, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Thats the order it shows in the album's liner notes. The last 2 are only credited because of the samples.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:06, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Further reading
[edit]- 'Further reading' is for books that aren't cited in the text. Rename this 'Bibliography' or something
I'll put the review on hold now. Adabow (talk · contribs) 20:48, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
- Just realised something else: the release dates in the lead and the infobox are different. It would be good if you could place the release date in the body, too, and reference it. Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Nice work! Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:30, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
Requested move
[edit]- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:31, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
The Roof (song) → The Roof (Back in Time) — actual title of the song. Adabow (talk · contribs) 22:17, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
- Support - Sure, either one is okay for me :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 22:34, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
- Support - I wanted this to happen before. I support. Novice7 | Talk 02:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
- Oppose for now at least. What evidence is there that it's the actual title of the song? Google [3] gives me lots of sites such as [4] [5] (my first two hits, yours may differ) that just call the song The Roof; When I restrict the search [6] I get less than one sixth as many hits. Andrewa (talk) 01:08, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
- Leaning to support. The song is titled just "The Roof" on the album back cover, but apparently the "(Back in Time)" phrase was when the song was released as a single. Since it needs to be disambiguated from other things titled The Roof in any case, I think using the title written on the cover of the single release is more natural than an artificial disambiguator. Jafeluv (talk) 16:21, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
- Leaning to oppose - I may be wrong, but it seems this is a subtitle rather than part of the actual title, so including it in our article title (which we don't normally do with subtitles) may be misleading. "(song)" may be artificial, but it's Wikipedia's standard and transparent way of disambiguating in cases like this.--Kotniski (talk) 09:55, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- A couple of links: Amazon lists it as "The Roof (Back in Time)", while the label's Upload of the video uses "The Roof". Adabow (talk · contribs) 10:03, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
- Support The article is about the single, which is clearly shown on the sleeve as being The Roof (Back in Time). Hopefully, this isn't one of those really irritating cases where the sleeve and the label have different names. It is not all that uncommon for the title to be different on the album and the single. Skinsmoke (talk) 10:15, 12 January 2011 (UTC)
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