Talk:The Sword in the Stone (1963 film)/Archive 1

"Transformations"

What kind of edit is this?

The only time she appeared was when Merlin was teaching Arthur (Wart) about love, by turning him into a squirrel. [. . .] The Little Girl Squirrel watches as they leave, with her broken heart. It is uncertained what happened to her, it is least likely she moved on, and more likely she continued to live in the forest.

1000 words of rambling about an inconsequential SQUIRREL (and in play-by-play plot details) rather than contributing something substantial? That squirrel wasn't even a major part of the story -- by a long shot -- and now she's the whole article!

Minervamoon 07:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree the squirrel takes up too much space. 203.53.167.180 09:32, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Lists of release dates and foreign titles

Are these two long lists really necessary? It's good to be thorough, but this is a bit overboard. IrisWings 05:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Christopher Robin and Adult Copper?

The edit that says "The animation of the scene where Arthur is being licked by the castle dogs is later reused into The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh when Christopher Robin is being licked by his hound dog Adult Copper" wasn't true. When I watch "The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh", there's NO scene with Christopher Robin being licked by Adult Copper, who was from The Fox and the Hound. And also the scene from The Black Cauldron with Taran being licked by a horse? NO. Nate Speed (talk) 23:35, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

In fact this licking scene was later used in The Jungle Book, with Mowgli being licked by two sub-adult wolves. Harjasusi (talk) 11:19, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

DVD date

Removed the bit about the 45th anniversary edition DVD being a Disney Movie Club exclusive. It wasn't; I'm a member, but bought mine at Target.PacificBoy 00:04, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Maybe it was a timed exclusive? --Mika1h (talk) 18:16, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Unsourced material

Article contained material lacking sources for over a year. Please reinsert if proper sourcing can be located! Doniago (talk) 16:35, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Production

==Production== Recycled animation There are several scenes with animation recycled from other Disney films, as well as original animation that itself would be recycled in later productions. The deer Kay tries shooting at with his arrow was copied from Bambi's mother from Bambi. When Sir Ector and Kay are in the kitchen fighting against the enchanted dishware, Sir Ector swings his sword backwards and hits Kay on the head, with Kay groaning. Jasper and Horace in One Hundred and One Dalmatians were animated in the same way during the fight scene with Pongo and Perdita, and archive audio of J. Pat O'Malley (who voiced Jasper) was used for Kay's groan. Also, the footage where Wart is affectionately licked by the two castle dogs is reused in The Jungle Book four years later. The scene where Arthur is a squirrel jumping from one tree to the next was reused in The Fox and the Hound in 1981. When Wart goes into the forest to retrieve Kay's arrow, he pushes aside a branch and weaves in and out of a few small trees. This animation was reused in The Black Cauldron.

Home Media (unsourced since Feb 2011)

== Release == Theatrical releases The Sword in the Stone was originally released on December 25, 1963. It was then followed with re-issues in the United States on December 22, 1972 and March 25, 1983 as a double feature with Winnie the Pooh and a Day for Eeyore. Home media The film was first released on VHS format in the UK in 1983. It was released on VHS in the US on March 25, 1986, September 28, 1989, and July 12, 1991; all three of these were in the Walt Disney Classics line. The VHS was released again on October 28, 1994 as part of the Walt Disney Masterpiece Collection. The VHS was re-released on March 20, 2001 along with the DVD release of the film as part of the Walt Disney Gold Classic Collection. The 45th Anniversary Edition of the DVD was released on June 17, 2008 and features an all-new game called Merlin's Magical Academy as a bonus feature. The Deluxe Edition, which includes lithographs, a book, a lenticular card, and a certificate of authenticity, was also released on the same day.

Uther Pendragon

I removed references to him because I am not aware of the film actually saying either the first name Uther or the last name Pendragon. Can anyone supply any reliable sources, if not from the film script then from official material, supporting this?

I only found "the good king" referenced in the film's dialogue in the foreward. Even though in the mythos this is based on, the king is Uther, that doesn't mean the film itself should say he's part of it if he isn't. Ranze (talk) 20:05, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Although the narrator doesn't say the name, the first page in the "storybook" opening shows the name quite clearly. KevinBTheobald (talk) 05:42, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Fifteenth Century and the Wars of the Roses

Is any of this mentioned in the movies? It is certainly anachronous, though the movie certainly fits 15th Century England better than it does Post-Roman Britain. (England as a nation not even exist in the days of King Arthur.) I'll edited the text to embrace the ambiguity.

The squirrel scene

I know it's a famous scene, but can anyone help me find proof? It's usually always talked about, in fact, this very article used to have a whole section about it. It's one of those memorable Disney moments, like the famous Spaghetti kiss in Lady and the Tramp or the death of Bambi's mother in Bambi. There should be a section on the squirrel scene like there was in the Lady and the Tramp article about the Spaghetti kiss in the reception or about the death of Bambi's mother in the Bambi article. Anyone got any ideas? Kkjj (talk) 15:38, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

The section that was in this article (over a decade ago...) seems to have been written by someone fairly well obsessed with the scene.

If this scene is as well known as you seem to believe, you should be able tgo find sources fairly easily. I did a quick search and turned up a few blogs and such, but nothing usable. - SummerPhD^v2.0 17:50, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Live Action Adaptation Section

The current 'live action adaptation' section is grammatically incorrect and repeats Cogman's involvement. Shortening the second sentence to only mention the director will fix grammar issues and maintain the same amount of information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.148.138.149 (talk) 02:26, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

Draft:The Sword in the Stone (2019 film) exists Legacypac (talk) 05:22, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

First home video release

Should we add that this film was originally planned to be released in the summer of 1985? This could explain why the stock number of The Sword in the Stone (1986 VHS) was 229 while Robin Hood (1984 VHS) was 228. However, when CEO and president of Walt Disney Productions (now The Walt Disney Company) was ousted in favor of Michael Eisner, Frank Wells, and Jeffrey Katzenberg, that release was held off in favor of Pinocchio (which was released Christmas 1984 to success) and Dumbo (which made it's debut on TV as part of Walt Disney anthology television series and onto home video in 1981 & 1982 as rental and sale respectively). The reason the Sword in the Stone was planned to be the second film in The Walt Disney Classics line was like Robin Hood during it's 1982 reissue, this film's 1983 reissue was a dissappointment. The Sword in the Stone ended up being the fourth film in the Walt Disney Classics series. --Evope (talk) 00:52, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

Perhaps the obvious first question is whether there's sources to back this up. DonIago (talk) 04:24, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

These four links explain it. (For the first of the four, I guess this is a theory. I could be wrong.) http://imaxination1980svideocorner.blogspot.com/2014/11/classics-confusion.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRFYAq9JN2w https://retromedialibrary.fandom.com/wiki/Robin_Hood_(1984_VHS) https://retromedialibrary.fandom.com/wiki/The_Sword_in_the_Stone_(1986-1999_VHS) --Evope (talk) 23:44, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Once and Future King

The story is largely based on the first part of the book by T. H. White, called the Once and Future King. Includes characters such as Pellinore, Hobbs, Archimedes; also includes Arthur’s education by being turned into multiple different animals.

There’s no mention of this book serving as the source material, or differences between the book and movie. 108.66.146.143 (talk) 22:23, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

It's literally mentioned in the first paragraph. As far as discussion of specific differences, you'd need sources that discuss the differences. Just creating a list of them without a source that's noted them would be original research. DonIago (talk) 01:58, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Length of Plot section

At some point the Plot section was tagged with Per WP:FILMPLOT, plot summaries for feature film articles should be between 400 and 700 words in length. Current word count is 690 words. Since then, the plot has grown to the current 712 words, and needs pruning. Sorry, I don't have capacity at present. Masato.harada (talk) 12:38, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done I've gotten it down to 633. DonIago (talk) 19:13, 3 October 2022 (UTC)