Talk:The Tribunal, Glastonbury

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Date	Process	Result
February 1, 2015	Good article nominee	Listed
July 9, 2015	Good topic candidate	Promoted

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that artefacts from Glastonbury Lake Village are on display at The Tribunal?

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Tribunal, Glastonbury/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Hchc2009 (talk · contribs) 18:21, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll read through and review over the next few days. Hchc2009 (talk) 18:21, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well-written:

(a) the prose is clear and concise, respects copyright laws, and the spelling and grammar are correct;

"was built in the 15th century as a medieval merchant's house." - medieval felt redundant here, as you've already given the date of its construction.

Done.— Rod ^talk 19:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"12th century" - should be hyphenated as an adjective I think.

Done.— Rod ^talk 19:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"It has been used as a merchants house " - "merchant's"

Done.— Rod ^talk 19:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"arched braced wooden truss roof." - a comma or two is needed here between the adjectives

Added a couple.— Rod ^talk 19:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"The bottom part of which dates from the Iron Age and the upper part was added in the 1st century AD." -the 1st century AD is also in the Iron age I think. I think the beginning should go "The bottom part of the bowl..."

I've changed the first part but not sure how to explain the two different ages.— Rod ^talk 19:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"where secular justice was administered, for Glaston Twelve Hides." I don't think you need the comma here

Comma removed.— Rod ^talk 19:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"formerly mistakenly identified" is it possible to say who (or when) it was mistakenly identified?

I will go looking for more info on this.— Rod ^talk 19:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Somerset Historic Environment Record entry still says "The Tribunal was the courthouse of the Abbots of Glastonbury", however the more recent history and research from EH says "The house now known as Glastonbury Tribunal owes its name to the fact that it was formerly mistakenly identified with the abbey’s tribunals, where secular justice was administered in association with the management of the abbey’s estates. However, it is possible that the house was used by one of the abbey’s officials."— Rod ^talk 19:36, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Try https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yB-0_rkhoBQC&pg=PA89&dq=The+Tribunal,+Glastonbury&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oT_JVPanGoj1UOuLhNAO&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=The%20Tribunal%2C%20Glastonbury&f=false - p.90. Hchc2009 (talk) 20:01, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for this - interesting (particularly as I think I have a copy of that collection somewhere). I will add it as a reference as it seems to support the claims currently in the article.— Rod ^talk 20:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"In the 16th century a new facade was added to the original building." Did you need the paragraph break here? It strands a single sentence above it.

Done.— Rod ^talk 19:33, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"although it is unsure whether this is the same building" - "it is uncertain"

Done.— Rod ^talk 20:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"16th century ceiling panels" - again, probably needs a hyphen.

Done— Rod ^talk 20:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

" However, the chimney was blocked" - this needs to run "The rear room still has the remains of a large fireplace, however, the chimney was blocked" if "however" is going to carry the meaning it does here.

Thanks - done— Rod ^talk 20:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"a 'crannog' or man made island," - I think the MOS would have this as "crannog", in double speech marks.

Done— Rod ^talk 20:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

" was an iron age village " - consistency on capitalisation of Iron AGe

Done— Rod ^talk 20:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Worth checking for overlinking (Richard Beere and Iron Age); worth considering linking words like currency bar (or explaining what one is). Whetstone might also be worth linking. Hchc2009 (talk) 19:47, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done Richard Beere but I can't see the overlinking on Iron Age. I've linked whtestone & added an explanation of currency bars as we don't currently have an article on them.— Rod ^talk 20:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(b) it complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.

Yes. Hchc2009 (talk)

Factually accurate and verifiable:

(a) it provides references to all sources of information in the section(s) dedicated to the attribution of these sources according to the guide to layout;

Not a GA requirement, but some citations have location and publisher, others just publisher; the MOS would have "A field guide to Somerset archeology." as "A Field Guide to Somerset Archeology." (NB: is archeology spelt correctly in this instance? I think there's an A missing.) Hchc2009 (talk) 17:06, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done.— Rod ^talk 17:47, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(b) it provides in-line citations from reliable sources for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines;

Yes. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:13, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(c) it contains no original research.

None found so far. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:06, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Broad in its coverage:

(a) it addresses the main aspects of the topic;

Yes. I've got a guide book / history of the Tribunal, which I can't find in my various piles of books (!), so can't check the article against that, but I'm pretty sure it covers the salient points. Hchc2009 (talk) 08:55, 1 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(b) it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).

Personally, I'm not sure the paragraph starting "The village was built in about 300 BC..." is needed here, as there is a link to the article on the village. That may be my personal preference though, so don't treat it as a GA requirement, only a comment. Hchc2009 (talk) 19:44, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without bias, giving due weight to each.

Neutral. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:02, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.

Stable. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:02, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Illustrated, if possible, by images:

(a) images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content;

Yes. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:02, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(b) images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.

"The roof of the front room on the first floor" - could this be simply "The roof of the first floor"? (the ground floor has a ceiling, but not a roof)

But the back room of the first floor is different.— Rod ^talk 17:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"The roof at the front of the building"? Hchc2009 (talk) 17:12, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Changed.— Rod ^talk 17:47, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"The Tudor rose and the arms of Richard Beere above the doorway" - I'd suggest "entrance" rather than "doorway"

Done.— Rod ^talk 17:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not a GA requirement, but could the image of the The Glastonbury Bowl be trimmed back to focus on the bowl? It is high resolution, and a tighter focus on the bowl might bring out more detail. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:02, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I took loads of photos from all available angles, flash on & off, but it is behind a perspex (alarmed) screen) so difficult but I will look again at the pics.— Rod ^talk 17:07, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NB: if you've got Paint (or similar software), you could just trim the image to focus on the bowl - you won't lose much at that definition. I'm happy to do it it you like - it wouldn't take a moment. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:11, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Happy for you to do it, but have a look in the commons cat & see if you think any others are better?— Rod ^talk 17:21, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Done - see if it looks ok to you. Hchc2009 (talk) 17:28, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - looks fine to me.— Rod ^talk 17:47, 23 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you're interested in a plan, or images showing the architectural details, Pugin did some - try https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_DIOAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA55&dq=The+Tribunal,+Glastonbury&hl=en&sa=X&ei=oT_JVPanGoj1UOuLhNAO&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=The%20Tribunal%2C%20Glastonbury&f=false for some out-of-copyright examples. Hchc2009 (talk) 20:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure bout using the plan, there isn't really any space in the article and I'm not sure what it would add.— Rod ^talk 20:37, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can i give an opinion? Upon quick review, and as someone who has not significally edited this article, all the external links are working ok. I checked the revision history, and there is little jargon, and there are no edit wars or content disputes. I think that anyone could go up to this article, knowing nothing about it, and learn all about The Tribunal, Glastonbury. Just one question: Are you planning to build an article about Arthur Bulleid? Because that is a red link, and if you are not planning to, you should probably remove it. That's just my opinion. Overall: I agree with Hchc2009 on this article. It should be promoted to GA status. If there are no other objections, then I think with should do it. If Hchc2009 doesn't have any objections either, I'll promote this article to GA status right away as per the Good Article criteria. Let me know if I'm mistaken. Cheers, Yoshi24517 ^Chat _Absent 04:46, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yoshi, thanks for the offer, but it's more appropriate if we finish the review process before promoting an article. Hchc2009 (talk) 19:49, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Got it. Yoshi24517 ^Chat _Absent 05:46, 29 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Tagging: @Hchc2009:

Thanks for your comments. When I get some time I'm planning to expand Glastonbury Lake Village (and Meare Lake Village) and as part of that create an article on Arthur Bulleid (an interesting man with plenty of RS) so I'd like to leave that as a red link at present.— Rod ^talk 07:17, 28 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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