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I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thank you for this useful article. Checked for copyvio, standard English, citations etc.: no issues found. Commons category name adjusted to match WP article, and Wikidata page created and linked. Wikiprojects added to talkpage. Storye book (talk) 18:38, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Lone-078: The date of death of this subject has been categorised as 691, but that is not mentioned in the article (or have I missed something?) If you can confirm the date of death for me, then I can add it to the Wikidata and the Commons cat. Storye book (talk) 18:48, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Storye book: you got a point there. He was in office until 691 and, although it appears unlikely that something like resignation was contemplated at that time and for that office, I have no actual proof that my guy here died in that year. I'll remove it now. Lone-078 (talk) 19:22, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree with you. He would have to either die or be thrown out for some excommunication-worthy misdemeanour, which latter he didn't do, so I'd be amazed if you were wrong about the death date. I'd be so tempted to stick it back in the article. But I'm sure there must be some citation for the 691 death somewhere. Worth the wait, maybe. Storye book (talk) 09:52, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Had a thought. Is there a death date on the sarcophagus? Can you read dog Latin? There must surely be an archaeological-type description of its carvings somewhere. Storye book (talk) 09:56, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Storye book: I have never studied Latin but I can understand the inscription on the sarcophagus lid: "Here rests in peace Theodorus, V.B. Archbishop". I have no idea what "V.B." stands for, but the date problem remains. Lone-078 (talk) 13:35, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps "VB" means V[R]B[IS] for short, thus the definitive translation would be "Here rests in peace Theodorus, Archbishop of the city", but it's just my guess. Lone-078 (talk) 18:13, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, dog Latin is full of codes. I had an old friend who knew all the codes, but he died in 2018. He used to laugh his head off at English medieval dog Latin in cathedrals, because to him it read like Franglais. But, on another tack - it would be nice to have your translation in the article? Storye book (talk) 21:38, 23 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think this is dog Latin, but rather real, ecclesiastical Latin. Nevertheless, I would be against putting a translation. First of all, as I said, I have never studied Latin, I just interpreted a simple sentence because it vaguely resembles my native language, Italian. I could ask to a dear friend who knows Latin well, but in any case it would be original research.. Lone-078 (talk) 09:21, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure that translations count as OR. I know that some of our top editors are openly translating stuff, including citations, into English, and their work is respected. If you are not sure, then what you can do is put stuff which might be considered grey-area OR into refn templates as notes. I do that a lot, because it is better to have the information out there, where it may be replaced one day by a reference-type citation. If you haven't done that before, it's {{refn|WRITE YOUR NOTE HERE|group=nb}} which goes after the punctuation, in the usual way. Then create a new section called Notes, before your References section. Under the Notes subheading, put {{Reflist|group=nb}}. I usually clarify the wording of each note, so that anyone reading through my notes section, on its own, can work out what fact or item each note is referring to. Hope that helps. Storye book (talk) 15:49, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I got what you mean by looking at William Thomas Pike. Thanks, I'll give it a try, but better to ask my Latin-reading friend for a secure translation first. Lone-078 (talk) 17:26, 24 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
