Talk:Thomas C. Hindman

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GA Review[edit]

GA review (see here for criteria)
  1. It is reasonably well written.
    a (prose): b (MoS):
  2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.
    a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
  3. It is broad in its coverage.
    a (major aspects): b (focused):
  4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.
    Fair representation without bias:
  5. It is stable.
    No edit wars etc.:
  6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic.
    a (tagged and captioned): b (enough images: lack of images does not in itself exclude GA): c (non-free images have fair use rationales):
  7. Overall:
    Pass/Fail:

An excellent article, with quite frankly the best and most thorough family background I've ever seen in an article! I have just a few small concerns before I can promote this article to GA status.

  1. Is there any dating information for the picture used in the infobox? If so, it should be added to the caption (ie. Thomas C. Hindman in 1848 or Thomas C. Hindman at age 35 etc.)
    According to the Library_of_Congress, the picture was taken between 1861 and 1865. I have added that to the image caption in the infobox. Nishkid64 (talk) 14:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  2. In the lead, the sentence "After being born in..." is a bit awkward - I would recommend changing it to something like "Shortly after he was born in..." or whatever you find most suitable (which is the reason I didn't do it myself).
    I was looking at that a few days ago, and I thought it looked awkward, but I never did anything about it. Nishkid64 (talk) 14:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  3. I'm slightly unfamiliar with the terminology, so correct me if I'm wrong, but in the second paragraph of "Participation in the Mexican-American War" you write "By June 1847, 167 men had died, 134 had been discharged and 38 had been deserted." Should it be "38 had deserted?"
    Fixed. Stupid me! Nishkid64 (talk) 14:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  4. The "Move to Arkansas" section is gigantic and needs to have at least one or two level three splits to break up the content. The "Civil War" section should have one as well.
    I added sub-sections for both sections. Let me know if it's okay. Nishkid64 (talk) 14:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Other than that, it's an amazing well-written article and I hope to pass it shortly. To that end, I have placed the nomination on hold for a period of up to seven days so that these minor corrections may be made, after which it may be failed without any further notice. Cheers, CP 22:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Everything looks great now and I will be passing the article into GA status. Congratulations and thank you for your hard work! Cheers, CP 15:25, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Motive[edit]

Could his assassination be related in any way to the assassination of James M. Hinds (December 5, 1833—October 22, 1868) who, according to Wikipedia, was also from Arkansas and killed less than a month later by members of the Ku Klux Klan?

Farewell Speech[edit]

Just so I am clear, in the 8 hours between the shots being fired and his death, he gave a speech on his porch while bleeding to death? Can this be made clearer? Thanks. 71.90.27.200 (talk) 23:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pronunciation[edit]

Does his last name have a long or a short i? Q·L·1968 ☿ 00:53, 5 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Uncited paras/sentences etc[edit]

This article could do with a once-over to check for any deterioration since its promotion to FA in 2007, whether it meets current FA standards, and at the very least, citing of the uncited material. At this stage, I don't think it needs to be looked at for FAR in any respect, but having some ACW buffs take a look and give it a spritz would probably be a good way of it falling foul of the old FA review process. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:59, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging Nishkid64, the FA nominator, who's not very active but may see this. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 11:21, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'll take a look and see what I can do. Hog Farm Talk 21:50, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone have Neal's work? The article has an uncited date of Hindman returning to Arkansas in 1867, but Warner's Generals in Gray gives 1868 as the year that happened. Hog Farm Talk 22:08, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Peacemaker67 and Mike Christie: - After looking this over again, I think this may be in poorer shape than previously thought.
By 1854, Hindman realized that he had little room to maneuver in the crowded Mississippi political arena. Looking across the Mississippi River, Hindman observed that the young and turbulent state of Arkansas was wide open for a well-educated and ambitious politician. Hindman left Mississippi politics when he moved to Helena, Arkansas on March 18, 1854 - is sourced to the meeting notes of a Sons of Temperance organization
During this time, Hindman became close friends with Patrick Cleburne, who would later parallel his course as a Confederate Major General - clearly contains original research, given that the source is an 1855 newspaper report
The dispute between Hindman and the political family escalated after Hindman charged that the state had been overpaying the True Democrat for public printing. The True Democrat denied the allegations and claimed that Hindman's motive was out of selfishness, rather than concern. They argued that he wanted printing contracts to be awarded to the Helena State-Rights Democrat and the Little Rock Old Line Democrat, both of which he controlled - we really shouldn't be sourcing these allegations solely to the True Democrat itself
What exactly "Hindman's Legion" was is never properly defined. IIRC it was a divisional command, but I'd need to look that up
I'd argue that the coverage of Chickamauga and the Atlanta campaign is quite lacking. We don't get any real discussion of what he actually did there, and at only 24kb of readable prose, there is definitely room to expand the article.
" By May 1865, Confederate generals in New Orleans signed a document with Union generals detailing the Confederate terms of surrender" - I need to look at Neal to see exactly what Neal is saying, but I believe the Confederate Trans-Mississippi surrender discussion was at least largely in Shreveport, not New Orleans (maybe they signed in NO?)
"After O'Connor accepted, Hindman stated, "I forgive everybody, and hope they will forgive me."" - I'd argue that we need a stouter source than the Confederate Veteran here
I don't see how After a brief courtship, the couple was married in Knoxville on January 21, 1819 can be properly supported by "Receipt, June 21, 1818, in Andrew Jackson Papers, Library of Congress, Washington D.C."
I don't think we should be sourcing Hindman became trusted by the Cherokee Nation and was appointed as the sub-agent to the Cherokees by President James Monroe. After Andrew Jackson became president, Hindman, Sr. was appointed to the post of United States Agent for the Cherokee Nation to an 1862 letter
Hindman was eager to have the chance of serving his country in war. clearly can't be sourced to Hindman's military service record file
After returning to Ripley, Hindman continued his law studies under Orlando Davis. A year after the war ended, Hindman's brother, Robert, engaged in a fight with William Falkner because he thought that Falkner had tried to block his membership into the Ripley section of the Sons of Temperance. Robert Hindman tried to defend himself, but his gun failed to fire, and Falkner then fatally stabbed him. Falkner was tried for murder, but was acquitted by the jury which ruled that he was acting in self-defense - primary sourced to a court case, we can do better for FA
Afterward, Falkner killed a family friend of the Hindmans, and he again was acquitted in the murder trial - cited solely to a letter written by Falkner's buddy
William L. Shea's 1862 chapter in Mark Christ's Rugged and Sublime contains good information about his command of the Arkansas region in 1862 and should be incorporated
Shea's Fields of Blood about Prairie Grove was published several years after this was promoted to FA. I don't think we can really call this comprehensive about Hindman without including the major source about his independent field command in a major battle
"Levis Hall, Hugh Jr. (1982). Those Who Came Before Us. Sherman, Texas: A-1 Printing Company. p. 101." - is this really high-quality RS? A-1 Printing Co. does not seem to be a significant book publisher

This article needs a lot of work in sourcing. I'm adding this one to the noticed list. While this article is very much in my area of interest, I'm not sure that I can fix this by myself. If my wife lets me, I can get Neal pretty cheap off the internet, I can get Christ from the library, and I have books about Shiloh, but lacking Shea's work about Prairie Grove (had borrowed it from a relative as needed at times earlier, but have since moved several hours away), anything about Chickamauga, and with only a middling source about the Atlanta campaign, I'm worried that I wouldn't really be able to address this in a timely manner. At a minimum, access to Neal and Shea would be needed to repair this one. A serious work about Atlanta really ought to be consulted as well, and the same applies to Chickamauga (Cozzens's This Terrible Sound is a good one-volume treatment). This really needs FAR unless someone else pops up to at least tag team this, but I don't have the heart to bring it there myself. I also promised my wife that I wouldn't be purchasing any more books for a month or two after I overflowed a third bookcase in the apartment, so it would take me awhile to accumulate everything that would be needed. Hog Farm Talk 18:36, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I bow to your ACW source knowledge and note some important points above, HF. It probably should be FAR'd. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:48, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

HF notes[edit]

Between eBay, the local library, and a couple used bookstores I have been able to pull together the sources I would need. I intend to start working soon with an eye to rescuing. Hog Farm Talk 20:23, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Have added some tags; not to deface, but to point out where I need to make improvements. Hog Farm Talk 20:45, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Nishkid64, Mike Christie, and Peacemaker67: - Any objections to me converting the referencing system to sfns? I think there are significant advantages to using sfns isntead of the ref tags, as it's helped me find referencing issues a couple times and makes it easier to tie cites directly to the books used. Hog Farm Talk 21:00, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've also taken some liberty in trimming what I view is excessive genealogical content. It just doesn't seem relevant to the article to go into great depths on the history of his parents. Hog Farm Talk 21:40, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Switching to sfn is fine with me; I'm not an active editor of the article. I think it's only on my watchlist because I added the short description. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 21:50, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm mainly just nervous that I'll get myself in trouble by nuking much of a FA - this one's rather poorly sourced in places, is too thin in some, and falls off-topic badly in others. Ideally I can avoid FAR without getting in trouble for completing re-writing an older FA. Hog Farm Talk 22:04, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well done on getting the sources together. I recommend moving to sfn if you are rewriting it significantly, otherwise you are just making extra work for yourself with tags. Basic info about his parents is fair enough. Good luck with it, if you would like a fresh set of eyes after you're done, let me know. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 22:47, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm becoming quite a bit concerned that the early sections of this article are going to have to lean very heavily on Neal. I'm not finding many other sources that detail Hindman's early life in any appreciable detail, and this is a master's thesis that I don't think meets WP:SCHOLARSHIP since it doesn't even seem to be cited by Neal. The two ostensibly web RS I can find contain errors - his Congress Bioguide claims he moved to Arkansas in 1853 which is clearly wrong and opposed by both Neal and Shea on that matter, and his Encyclopedia of Arkansas entry claims his Mexican-American War service began in 1845, which is interesting as the war didn't even begin until 1846. The Encyclopedia of Arkansas also claims that he didn't move to Arkansas until 1856, which is directly against Shea and Neal (who say 1854) and is contradicted by Peter Cozzens's This Terrible Sound and William Garrett Piston's We Gave Them Thunder, which both mention Hindman already being in Arkansas by 1855. I'd normally consider E of A to be RS, but this particular entry just seems problematic. I don't think there's any way around a heavy usage of Neal for the early stuff, as the journal articles I've turned up so far seem to be heavy on the 1862 Arkansas stuff and light on the pre-war except for the gunfight he and Cleburne got into together. Hog Farm Talk 05:46, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Once I get this fully written, I may have to trim it - it's already over 40kb of readable prose, and I'm only through the end of 1863, although the latter years of his life shouldn't require as much detail. There was simply a lot the article didn't include beforehand, such as his 1863 suspension from command. Hog Farm Talk 04:44, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sources to use[edit]

I primarily intend to be using Neal as the main bio source, supported by Warner and Symonds in places. (the print copy I got ahold of lists Kremm as a co-author) Moodey is a primary source that I intend to replace, and I anticipate replacing Nash as well because I'm not sold on that being particularly high-quality. Dougan can support Neal for the Arkansas Family stuff, and Shea and a few journal articles not yet used will be the backbone for the 1862 Arkansas material. For Chickamauga and Chattanooga, I plan on using Peter Cozzens's This Terrible Sound and The Shipwreck of Their Hopes, and for Atlanta, Albert E. Castel's Decision in the West. The postwar material will probably have to lean heavily on Neal with a light touch of Warner. I currently don't have copies of Woods 1987 or Mark Christ's Rugged and Sublime. I think I can manage without either, but have several ways to get ahold of either if anyone deems it necessary to include either. Any thoughts? I know the article is leaning in Neal pretty heavily even in some of the rewritten places, but I don't think it's entirely avoidable, as noted above, because there's only one usable dedicated biography of Hindman. Hog Farm Talk 19:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Got ahold of Woods; it has an entire chapter devoted to Hindman so it's a good thing I checked. Hog Farm Talk 00:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Peacemaker67: - I do believe I'm mostly done here, if you'd be willing to take a look at it (warning: it's now 47kb in prose length). There were a number of spots with insufficient detail, a couple instances of excess fluff, a few glaring omissions, and some things that were just wrong. I find it a bit shameful that it was considered featured in its prior state. Hog Farm Talk 23:03, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Peacemaker67 if you give this the MilHist solid once over, I can be the layperson review after my son's wedding festivities subside, would most appreciate your work before mine :) SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:04, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, I've not used The Shipwreck of Their Hopes as the reference to Chattanooga previously seems to have been wrong. Hog Farm Talk 20:25, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Very happy to have a close look over the next couple of days (isolating as a close covid contact...). I'll tweak myself where I'm confident to, and put my comments in a separate thread. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:55, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested re-review[edit]

Hog Farm requested that I look over this article. My comments follow. Some are error fixes and others are only suggestions. Djmaschek (talk) 22:29, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Opposing the Know-Nothings, paragraph 1: "he entered Arkansas politics even more to support the Know-Nothings" (I thought that he opposed the Know-Nothings.)
  • Opposing the Know-Nothings, paragraph 3: "Rice and three of his relative got" (relatives)
    • Fixed
  • Entering Confederate service: "sans the coast" Suggest: "excluding the coast". I know was sans means, having taken French in HS, but Wikipedia is for English readers.
    • Done (I can count the number of French words I know on both hands) Hog Farm Talk 22:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Entering Confederate service: "of September 28" > "on September 28".
  • Shiloh: Pittsburg Landing, Tennessee (comma) which. Someone spanked me for omitting the comma after the state. I looked it up; they were right and I was wrong.
    • Added. I'm aware of the rule, but it feels very wrong to me sometimes. Hog Farm Talk 22:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Shiloh: "Commanding a brigade in a corps led by Hardee, Johnston's attack, known as the Battle of Shiloh, fell on April 6." Who is commanding? Suggest: "During Johnston's April 6 attack, Hindman commanded a brigade in a corps led by Hardee."
  • Trans-Mississippi command, paragraph 1: major-general. (Wikipedia uses "Major General" without the dash.)
    • Done, I'm not sure why it was like that. Hog Farm Talk 22:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Trans-Mississippi command, paragraph 2: "Oates credited" (past tense) "Shea suggests" (present tense). Decide which tense to use and be consistent. I prefer past when citing authors.
    • Done, I think it was like that because Shea is living and Oates passed on last year. Hog Farm Talk 22:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Trans-Mississippi command, paragraph 2: "(he illegally exempted the manufacturers of some goods he deemed necessary from conscription)" I understand what you are trying to say but it seems awkward. Maybe: "he illegally exempted from conscription certain critical workers".
  • Chickamauga, paragraph 1: "He arrived in Chattanooga, Tennessee (comma) to join..."
  • Chickamauga, paragraph 2: Outnumber, Bragg > Outnumbered, Bragg. AND September 9-10 (use long dash).
  • Chickamauga, paragraph 4: Longstreet had been unclear as to if ("as to whether" would be a better choice IMO).
  • Leave in Texas and end of war: There is a stray equal sign after the title. "Castel suggests" (present tense) Castel annoyingly uses present tense for his history!
    • Done. The edition of Castel's bio of Sterling Price I have is thankfully in past-tense, but I haven't gotten around to reading Decision in the West straight through yet because I'm not a fan of the way he uses present tense in that one. Hog Farm Talk 22:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Assassination: "One Louis D. Vaughn claimed to have been hired by Dr. Daniel A. Linthicum to commit the murder, but..." There is nothing technically wrong with this sentence. However, I had to reread it because it seemed awkward. I think if you drop the word "One", there will be no confusion.

Thanks, @Djmaschek:! Hog Farm Talk 22:56, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I promise to look in after the wedding, or sooner if I get any free time ... which is highly doubtful. Bst, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:03, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

SG comments[edit]

Apologies for very piecemeal comments from iPad/car/hotspot editing.

  • On the night of September 27, while sitting in his home with his children, Hindman was shot through a window of his home. He was hit in the neck and jaw, and his wind Because this is the start of a new section, the year should be supplied. There are other sections that start with dates without year ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:47, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Fixed for this one, will go through the others.
      • Should be done for all of these; can't promise I didn't miss any.
  • Dr. Daniel A. Linthicum ... MOS:DOCTOR, was he a physician, M.D., what? Why do we need the Dr at all? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:48, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Source just calls him "Dr." I've removed it as not important. Since it's post-Civil War Arkansas, I highly doubt Mr. Linthicum was anyone you'd want to operate on you. Hog Farm Talk 16:39, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Three consecutive sentences ... after recovering ... after suffering ... after the confederacy need to vary prose.
  • Same sentence, but unclear how two clauses are related ... Public outcry led to Hindman's removal from his regional command, and he was defeated at the Battle of Prairie Grove in December.
  • Ditto ... sentence break seems in order ... Returning to politics, he opposed the Reconstruction Era government of Arkansas, and was assassinated late on September 27, 1868, dying the next morning. ...also, and died the next morning ...
  • Called upon ... called upon ... need to vary prose ... [edit .... and an overpowering sense of starting sentences with after ...
    • I've fixed the called upon duplication; there's currently 6 sentences starting with after of which 4 are in the lead; will try to get that pared down in the lead. Hog Farm Talk 15:12, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm finding a bit more copyediting needs than I feel confident to tackle, especially from the car; I wonder if Z1720 might be enticed to look in? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:06, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • As I mentioned at the URFA discussion, this was written by a bored redneck in his freetime, so I imagine that the prose is pretty darned bad. Hog Farm Talk 16:48, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Let's get someone in here whose prose is better than mine then .... if Z1720 can't review, we'll need someone besides me ... I will plug away as battery and time allow ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:10, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Separate thoughts, not clear why they are combined to one sentence ... how is wounded related to promotion? Having been wounded at Shiloh, Hindman was promoted to major general and sent to the Trans-Mississippi Department, to command Arkansas, Missouri, the Indian Territory, and part of Louisiana.. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:06, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Returned ... returned ... vary wording ... fled to Mexico, but returned to Helena in 1867. Returning to politics, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:08, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hindman was shot by an assassin at his home late on September 27, 1868, and died the next morning. Before his death, Hindman suggested the shooting was politically motivated, but the assassin is not known. How about ...
    Hindman was shot by an unknown assassin at his home late on September 27, 1868, and died the next morning. Before his death, he suggested the shooting was politically motivated. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:10, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Done Hog Farm Talk 17:03, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • This may become clear as I read the rest of the article (have only read the lead so far), but the lead leaves me wondering about his education ... that is, how did he attain high military ranking (did he have military education or training), and how did he practice law (did he get some formal law education)? Will continue as I have time ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:12, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've clarified the law bit in the body - his legal education was studying under a local attorney. Hog Farm Talk 16:35, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • This feels too informal/colloquial ... can it be stated differently? ... where there was more room for his political ambitions. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:14, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • It looks like Sandy has fixed this. Hog Farm Talk 20:33, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      HF, I fixed it in the body but not the lead ... do you want to replicate there? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:30, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      Replicated there as well. Hog Farm Talk 03:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Please revert anything I mess up. They trained for only a month? Hindman's unit, the 2nd Mississippi, trained at Camp McClung near Vicksburg, Mississippi in January 1847, before being transferred to New Orleans, Louisiana. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:00, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, they were only at Camp McClung for January. It's not clear from the source what they did at New Orleans; they could have trained there too, but the source doesn't say. Hog Farm Talk 03:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • What is Mazafil? His service included a time as a post adjutant at Mazafil from April 26 through May 1848.. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:02, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not super clear from the source, but Peacemaker's been able to find a source clarifying this below. Hog Farm Talk 03:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I cannot see the relevance of the bar-b-que ... trivia? Hindman's regiment returned to Mississippi later in 1848, where they received a welcoming barbeque in early August. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:04, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Stopping at Move to Arkansas to allow you time to repair any damage I've inflicted. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 20:53, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • In the first two paragraphs of the lead, there are two consecutive sentences, and three out of five sentences, that start with After ... vary wording. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 04:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've rephrased away a couple "after"'s in the lead. Hog Farm Talk 14:35, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hog Farm, I've lost track of where we are here; best I can tell, at one point I wasn't happy with the prose, and wanted fresh eyes. Did that happen yet? Or can you think of someone we might pester? Or shall I keep plugging away, with the idea that I would be the third Satis ? Whatever you think best, ... SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:19, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we could ask Z1720 to look at prose? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:22, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sandy, I don't really remember where we were on this. I will note that Neal/Kremm and Symonds are back at the library. I can borrow another copy of Symonds from someone I know, but I don't know if the university library where I got Neal/Kremm is open over the summer. Hopefully there's no major issues. Hog Farm Talk 21:27, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS - I don't have a print copy of Woods either, but IIRC I was able to ebook that from a library so I don't think re-accessing that one will be an issue. Hog Farm Talk 21:28, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PM comments[edit]

G'day, here are my thoughts as I go:

  • is the 2nd Mississippi likely to be notable?
    • I don't think so, unless there's a journal article I haven't seen. Hog Farm Talk 13:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • is the reference to Buena Vista a reference to the battle? If so, state that and link it? If not, perhaps state it was after the battle?
    • I've added that it was after the battle Hog Farm Talk 13:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • any idea where this Mazafil is?
  • was Pillow a friend of his?
    • I've actually removed the addition of the "friends" - per Symonds, that incident was most likely the first meeting between Hindman and Cleburne and no relationship between Hindman and Pillow is mentioned by Symonds or Neal. Symonds and Neal suggest that the calling off was because Hindman's opponent was worried he was gonna get whupped up on. Hog Farm Talk 16:43, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • he would not participate in the expedition to Cuba, or he was unable to (because of the shooting)?
    • Clarified - leaving the country at that point would have made him look like a fugitive. Hog Farm Talk 13:07, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Down to "Opposing the Know-Nothings". More to come. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 10:34, 26 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • States-Rights Democrat or States Rights Democrat?
    • I see both used in sources; I've gone with the non-hyphenated one. Hog Farm Talk 16:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • lose the Find a Grave EL
  • the sources look to be of high quality in the main, with some acceptable older local sources for bio stuff.
    • The two with weak looking publishers are both defensible - the Ozarks Studies Institute is with Missouri State University, and Piston's Civil War work has been well-respected, especially his co-write on Wilson's Creek. I'm not sure why Sword was published through the Morningside Bookshop, but Sword is also a respected Civil War historian, who has written books that have been published through major publishers, such as Embrace an Angry Wind about Franklin. Hog Farm Talk 13:18, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, I'm pretty happy with this now. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 07:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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