Talk:Thomas Cavendish

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Stamp[edit]

This article contained a postage stamp under a "fair use" claim. Please bear in mind that:

The stamp was being used to illustrate the subject of the stamp, not the stamp itself
The stamp copyright tag explicitly states that "It is believed that the use of postage stamps to illustrate the stamp in question (as opposed to things appearing in the stamp's design)" is fair use. If a fair use claim is to be made in this article, then it has to be using something other than the standard stamp copyright tag.
The image lacks a fair use rationale. It needs a specific fair use rationale in addition to the copyright tag, for each single article in which it is used (so it would need one individually for use in this article). At present there is no stated rationale.

If the stamp is to be used in this article, these points need to be rectified in some way. For further information see Wikipedia:Fair use, which explains the limitations on use of "fair use" doctrine in Wikipedia. TheGrappler 19:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fwiw, please bear in mind that:

People assume stamps, as government products, are public domain.
That is, however, not in fact the case, particularly with regard to the artwork involved. In this case, it looks like there's about a 50 year delay from issue.
The article isn't about the stamp, so it can't be rectified with fair use, even if someone were to crop the image out from the stamp, unless it were (somehow) the only image in existence of its subject.
The loophole is to simply add the words A 2002 St. Helena stamp commemorating... to the caption, thus meeting WP:FU. Possibly place it in a "Legacy" section, if there are enough other examples to warrant one.

If you were using boilerplate, it's cool, but if you're going to write out explanations, please do try to be helpful and informative about what it would take to be able to use the image. Cheers. -LlywelynII (talk) 14:33, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tone[edit]

Insufficiently formal in tone - parts of this entry are positively conversational.

Seizure of the Santa Ana[edit]

This article states that Cavendish seized the Santa Ana near Acapulco, on the mainland of Mexico. However, the Christopher and Cosmas article states that the Santa Ana was seized near Cabo San Lucas, which is on the southern tip of Baja California - many hundreds of miles away from Acapulco. Anybody able to confirm the site of the seizure of the Santa Ana? NorCalHistory 22:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Trouble with the dates[edit]

Quote from the main text: "In July 1586, determined to follow Drake by circumnavigating the globe, Cavendish built a larger ship named the Desire. His small fleet set out from Harwich on 27 June 1586 and reached the Strait of Magellan on 6 June 1587. They emerged from the strait into the Pacific on 24 February and sailed up the coast of South America, reaching the southern tip of California in October 1587. Along the way he burned three Spanish towns and thirteen ships and visited the ruins of the failed Spanish settlement of Rey Don Felipe and renamed it Port Famine.... In early November 1587 Cavendish captured the 600-ton Spanish galleon Santa Anna off Cabo San Lucas,... "

I stumble on some inconsistencies:

(i)Cavendish had a larger ship built in July 1586, then set out in June 1586...

(ii)Cavendish reached the Strait of Magellan on 6 June 1587 and emerged on the Pacific on 24 February. So that would be 1588, and he could not have been in California in 1587.

(iii) Along the way - and I am prone to understand that's the way after emerging into the Pacific - Cavendish burned x Spanish towns and y ships and visited the ruins of Rey Don Felipe - Port Famine. But Port Famine is inside the Strait and was visited before emerging into the Pacific.

To my mind this section could be clearer if it is organized as: reached the Strait - visited the Strait including Port Famine - emerged from the Strait into the Pacific, burned x towns etc, and reached California on ../../158?. Sorry I dont have reliable resources to correct the dates. --Lupo Manaro (talk) 19:35, 29 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Source[edit]

Other ships of the fleet taken from woodentallships.com, although for citing purposes, a dead tree or more authoritative source is probably warranted, unless someone wants to write to the webmaster for his sources. (If so, remember to still include the website with an op. cit.) -LlywelynII (talk) 14:55, 2 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]