Talk:Thomas de Cantilupe

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It is highly implausible that he had a major conflict with Gilbert de Clare in 1290 eight years after his own death in 1282. Even more worrying there is a reference to a supporting text for this 'fact'. We must be concerned about the quality of the text. Can a bishop whose activities keep him away from his bishopric much of the time be considered to be exemplary? Is the fact that he visited Hereford from time to time so remarkable, when he had a job there? Optymystic (talk) 21:46, 19 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Worryingly, the 'ditch dispute' is also mentioned in de Clare's own article with an implied date of 1290 and cited to the same source.

I suspect his (claimed) diligence in carrying out his Bishop's duties personally contrasts with the frequency in that era of such appointments being political sinecures, with the actual work carried out by subordinates. The general tone probably carries over from some of the original sources, such as the Catholic Encyclopedia, which include generous helpings of hagiography. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.27.112 (talk) 09:06, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The hunting dispute / ditch incident is mentioned a few times in relation to the Hereford Mappa Mundi, and it may even be referred to on the map itself, in a hunting scene. So I should be able to get a date and better reference for that.

On his actual career and behaviour, there is an excellent discussion of the evidence provided to the canonization inquiry in Vauchez (see sources). I'll be adding an outline of that in the coming days. There are also discussions of his sexism and anti-semitism (both a sign of his holiness, apparently) in the official presentation made kicking off the process. Some of that I've already added. Jim Killock (talk) 16:54, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I think it's time to move this article off the original format of references including full citations. I will start moving the citations to a list of sources unless there is an objection to this. Jim Killock (talk) 16:55, 2 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]