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Reviewer: Mujinga (talk · contribs) 10:41, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Review

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Good Article review progress box
Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()
3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()
Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

Copyvio check

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  • Nothing major to worry about on an earwig check.
  • I would suggest changing this sentence a bit - "According to Yle, the government is likely to collect the opinions of experts in the field as well as those of the public before making a decision" which in the source is "According to Yle's information, the government would be likely to collect the opinions of experts in the field, as well as those of the public."

Pictures

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Lead

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I'll come back to this last, for now I'll note per MOS:LEAD the lead should summarise the article and usually that means the citations will be in the text itself not the lead.

History

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  • The first railway line in Finland – Hämeenlinna railway station – was inaugurated in 1862 are we talking about the railway line or the station here?
  • "Helsinki time" redirects here so unneeded link
  • used until Kaipiainen suggest as far as Kaipiainen
  • at midnight of the Walpurgis Night suggest at midnight on Walpurgis Night
  • Daylight saving time (DST) was first attempted on 2 April 1942, by moving forward one hour at 00:00 and back again on 4 October at 01:00, but this was found less useful, and DST was not used in the following decades - is all this really covered by the source?
    •  Done (idk why I keep using this template): Yes – The first sentence of page 104 reads "Suomessa kokeiltiin kesä- aikaa ensimmäisen kerran 1942", which translated is "Summer time was first tried in Finland in 1942", and the table on page 105 illustrates 'year • summer time began • summer time ended'. The entry for 1942 gives "2.4. klo 24→1 [2.4 (2 April) at 24 (24:00 equals 00:00) → (to) 1]" for dst start and "4.10. klo 1→0 [4.10 (4 October) at 1 → 0]" for dst end. Though I do not speak Finnish, an acquaintance from Discord who is Finnish translated these for me. I believe you could replicate the same result on DeepL Translator to verify this? LunaEatsTuna (talk) 16:31, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Daylight saving time

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  • seems like the previous paragraph under "Introduction of daylight saving time" would fit better in this section and then the duplication over 1981 can be avoided
  • As Finland is located far north, there is little change in daylight hours and ultimately little need for the observance of daylight saving time. It is only observed in order to make travelling and communication between the Nordics and Russia easier - this sentence cannot be sourced to page 105, which is just a table. Also suggest "Nordic states" for "Nordics"

Future

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Geography and solar time

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Maintenance

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Notation

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IANA time zone database

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  • Data for Finland directly from zone.tab of the IANA time zone database; columns marked with * are the columns from zone.tab itself:[35] - not wild about this sentnece for two reasons, one it seems to lack a word eg "comes directly"? and two I'd rather the semi-colon is a full stop for readability.

See also

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References

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Notes

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Bibliography

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Further reading

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Overall

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Is there a tempate you are following here? Or a previous GA I didn't spot? I am just wondering about it because Maintenance / Notation / IANA time zone database are all rather small sections and could perhaps be merged into others

  • @Mujinga: Thank you so much for your comments and for showcasing an interest in my GA nom! To answer your question, time zone articles (including primary topics) are sadly largely underdeveloped on the EN wiki, and no time in [country] article has yet to achieve GA status, so when creating this article I based the sections off of other time in [country] articles I had seen and chose the sections which I thought made the most sense. I chose "Maintenance" since it had good sourcing and seemed relevant enough, "Notation" as it had its own separate article, and "IANA time zone database" from basing it off other time in [country] articles (for example, Time in the United Kingdom, Time in Norway etc.). LunaEatsTuna (talk) 16:31, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    • I reckon I may be able to expand the "Maintenance" section by perhaps renaming it to something like "Authority"(?) and mentioning the authority that the Helsinki University Observatory holds on Finland's time zone. LunaEatsTuna (talk) 16:34, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
      • On the first point that's great you are expanding wikipedia articles on time in countries in 'Time in X' form, I am engaged in a somewhat related project to create articles about 'Squatting in X' and so I'm interested in thinking about how to create standards across articles without making them all rigidly the same, if that makes sense. I see the logic you have behind the sections and perhaps sometimes they would be larger for other countries. On the second point, sounds good if you want to add another sentence on Helsinki University Observatory, Authority sounds alright although Maintenance also works, I could suggest Implementation as well Mujinga (talk) 07:54, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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