Talk:Timeline of the 2009 Iranian election protests

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Neutrality and verifiability issues[edit]

Guys, I imagine that most of us working on this page tend to sympathize personally with the protesters, but please please please do so by doing what we're supposed to do on Wikipedia: bringing the facts of the situation to light in a neutral tone and consistently cited to reliable sources, according to the WP:NPOV and WP:V policies. There's some really ridiculous stuff going on here: sentences like "...and this proves even more clearly that the Iranian govenment is evil". If that's true, you don't need to say it; the facts will speak for themselves. Happy editing, Jalapenos do exist (talk) 21:50, 4 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Azadi flag (Freedom Flag ) was never used by the protesters in Iran. Before the elections the official flag of Iran was used by Ahmadinejad's campaign as their symbol, as an answer to the green cloths worn by Mousavi supporters. Close to the elections I did see some people carrying an official flag in Vali-Asr street while chanting "Mousavi, Mousavi take back Iran's flag", but that was the only use of the Iranian flag I personally spotted by the opposition camp before and after the elections inside Iran. Iranian disinters outside of Iran might have used it, but inside Iran during the Toopkhaneh protest, and Vali-Asr silent Protest" neither did I see anyone carrying such a flag, nor did I ever saw a picture of it being used in any of protests. It is likely that whoever put the "Freedom flag" at the top of this article has very strong personal opinions is not interested in reflecting the truth. If it is any consolation, I do personally hope that protesters actually someday use that flag.

-22222a22 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2222222a22 (talk • contribs) 15:22, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re - Neutrality and verifiability issues[edit]

I believe you're absolutely right and the "... this proves ..." section you mentioned is totally ridiculous. But the thing is that we have to ( I mean we must ) write some parts even if they're not neutral because they are the truths, and that's because we're humans and we can see that beating, shooting and all they do is totally wrong. We should keep the articles as neutral as possible. and again, you're absolutely right about that part you mentioned :) --M3talizer (talk) 13:22, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Remaining neutral does not mean covering up facts. Indeed, the exact opposite is true. Highly controversial information can be presented in a neutral manner, even if that is accomplished only by presenting both sides. "Being human" is not an excuse, it simply shows that the text in question needs more work.
— V = I * R (talk) 17:08, 8 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]


4pm at Behesht-e Zahra; 6pm at Mordad 8, Neda 40 at Mosallah Mosque; Solidarity with martyrs' families[edit]

July 30th morning 2am, Mir Hossein Mousavi's aides sent out invitation for supporters to participate in the July 30th (thursday Mordad 8th, 1388 Anno Persico) commemoration of the martyrs of recent violence, especially Neda Agha-Soltan, whose 40th day since death is on Mordad 8th. The message asks supporters to attend peaceful and solemn ceremony at the Mosallah Mosque of Tehran, the largest mosque in the city[http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=704704][1], located in the Abbas Abad district. Before the 6pm prayer, main activities will take place at 4pm at the burial sites of the martyrs, namely the Behesht-e Zahra Cemeteries, which Mousavi and Mehdi Karrubi will attend. After the service at the mosque, the leaders will pay visits to and show solidarity with some families who have lost their members in the violence. This message also ties into Mousavi's earlier message that "religious celebrations are opportunities for the display of the 'Green' movement’s creativity." —Preceding unsigned comment added by FaravaharAhmadifar (talk • contribs) 22:16, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cleanup[edit]

This page is getting longer and it's getting kind of messy. It is in need of a cleanup. One suggestion is to break it up by the month rather than by the day. Any ideas on how to make this article look better? Kylelovesyou (talk) 16:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a reasonable suggestion, to me.
— V = I * R (talk) 19:44, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

More Pictures[edit]

The article seems farily plain. Can anyone get access to upload more photos of the protests? Kylelovesyou (talk) 18:11, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, pictures can be added anytime just be sure they are POV and are free images to use (Non copyright). - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:49, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Merge[edit]

Hello, please help quickly, before the situation become more confuse for editors. Yug (talk) 15:35, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose We can briefly write about this event in the main article but for more coverage an independent article is necessary for major protests. Protests on Dec. 26th and 27 were the turning point of the post-election protests and deserve an independent article.--WIMYV? (talk) 16:20, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The incidents are totally different. Those articles can not be merged together.--Professional Assassin (talk) 17:04, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This seems to be an escalation of the protests that should have its own article. I am not sure about the current title as the events are still unfolding, also the death of Montazeri is clearly linked and feeds into into these events.Ekem (talk) 03:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose This is a different (in level and in significance) event, whence no merge. Xashaiar (talk) 06:06, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose The protests are not for the election anymore. The Iranians are fighting against the theocracy and the government.--1j1z2 (talk) 07:22, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose I actully think a conflict info-box should be added to the 2009 Ashura Iran anti-government protest page. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:25, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The results look to be a non merge and the templates have since been removed. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 20:21, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sub sections plus prose[edit]

I added a few tage to the top of the article, it is getting long to read and I feel sub articles for the months might be best or putting the list into prose format by month and highlighting the important events in sub articles. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 19:33, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • There are already subsections. I removed the subsection tag. The article is a timeline. You are invited to start a prose article based upon this timeline. Prose tag removed. -- Yellowdesk (talk) 22:40, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article is over 100,000 KB long and takes a long time to load as it is, a timeline is good and all but one that lasts 7 months and ongoing? If it is to remain like this the important things should be taken out and put in prose or maybe a summary can be made of all the small things. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:28, 29 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe instead of separate headers for each day. It could just be bolded with the information under it. This would reduce the "contents" part and maybe make it look better. Additionally, much of the information on this article is in need of a cleanup and certain parts need to be rewritten to sound better and to be more neutral. -- Kylelovesyou (talk) 02:50, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That is what I hope to see, a timetable is fine but instead of going by day because it is getting long at this point going by month might make it look more neat. This article also has information in it that I feel can even be discussed in another article. Im just throwing ideas around, currently when I go to even make a small edit I have to wait for load time. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:55, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Split[edit]

Idea for new article:

2009 Iranian election protests abroad - There is alot of information in the timeline about people protesting abroad in a number of countries (This is notable and should merit its own article). - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 02:43, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The original is to big and so consideration to splitting in some way is approproate. WP:SIZERULE. SunCreator (talk) 14:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:Tehran protests 2009-06-17 19-39.jpg[edit]

About a year ago I saw a website with many photos of predominantly youth wearing tape over their mouths and sometimes eyesd as well. Does anyone know where I can find such photos again? Google isn't really helpful. Thanks 81.68.255.36 (talk) 12:36, 5 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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