Talk:Times Beach, Missouri

Agent Orange?

I am very curious where the information comes from that NEPACCO was actually manufacturing Agent Orange. From my understanding they were simply manufacturing hexachlorophene and dioxin was a biproduct of the manufacturing process they used. While Agent Orange contains dioxin, they were NOT (again, from my understanding) actually manufacturing agent orange. It was simply a byproduct. (FossaFerox 03:46, 2 April 2006 (UTC))

The NEPACCO facility was owned by Hoffman-Taff, as mentioned in the article. Here is a link to a page on the US Department of Justice website which mentions production of Agent Orange at NEPACCO's Verona facility: https://www.justice.gov/enrd/us-v-bliss It's possible that someone from the Justice Department was just misinformed, or even got their information from the Wikipedia article, but given that there was legal action by veterans against the companies involved I would expect that the US Justice Department had access to accurate information.

Here, also, is a link to an article which states that the facility was used both for the production of hexachlorophene and for Agent Orange; again, it's subject to the same which-came-first-the-chicken-or-the-egg argument concerning whether the writers of the article did solid research or just repeated misinformation. https://timeline.com/this-missouri-town-was-so-polluted-the-epa-just-bought-it-and-incinerated-all-the-houses-6cf4bacae42a Ormewood (talk) 18:22, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Zip Code?

Could someone please find out the zipcode used for Times Beach until it was disincorporated? 71.234.63.28 04:53, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

USPS currently has Times Beach listed under Eureka's zip code, 63025. Due to the relatively small population of that area, I imagine that's what it's always been. Mcavic (talk) 04:25, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Superfund?

CERCLA/Superfund was passed in 1980, so I'm not sure how this disaster, several years later, could have led to its creation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.102.208 (talk) 02:58, August 27, 2007 (UTC)

Took that out. --24.255.184.103 (talk) 00:46, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Superfund's early years were a bit of a disaster thanks in part to Annie Gorsuch who was Reagan's choice as EPA administrator. The Superfund reauthorization (1986) put some teeth in place: Gorsuch (IMO monumentally incompetent) had been replaced by Ruckelshaus - Nixon's first EPA administrator who in fact cared about the environment - and Times Beach was certainly in the minds of those who finally got Superfund to work as planned. 16:22, 24 December 2023 (UTC) Cross Reference (talk) 16:22, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

Times Beach featured in movie...?

I remember seeing on HBO or some other cable channel a while back, a certain movie about a group of people, who at one point in the film, decide to take a road trip across the country. At one point in the film, they happen to stop at Times Beach, with the movie focusing on the near-abandoned state of the city. I remember the film showing a scene with a graffito scrawled on the side of a house (or on the sidewalk, I don't exactly recall) stating "Goodbye, Times Bitch". Anyone recall which movie this is? (I've done some searches on IMDB & filminamerica.com, but no luck...) misternuvistor 20:03, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

This is a 1987 movie called 'Made in USA' and should be referenced in the Times Beach main article. The people in the movie visit Times Beach and actually go into some of the houses. Times Beach was not fully razed at the time of filming.

"Summer Homes"

They were called "clubhouses" or "club houses", not "summer homes" -- one of them was built by my paternal grandfather Carl with his own hands after he bought the land in the newspaper promotion: he and my grandmother, who both grew up on farms, were going to retire to it but for his death in 1960. It had electricity, an old-fashioned long-handled pump well for water, and an outhouse. Afterward, she spent every summer there (several of them with me as a young boy there with her) until the winter of 1970-'71 when vandals set fire to part of the house, after which my uncle Fred, her elder son, sold it and the land for her.

Gramma Rose grew a row each of corn, okra, tomatoes, peas, green beans, kohlrabi, squash, and rhubarb. We would spend part of each day in a boat tied at the river's edge catching sunfish, which she would clean in the river and pan-fry for our supper each night, along with some of the fresh vegetables she grew; the rest she home-canned for herself for the following winter. No television and only one radio station reached us, Grampa's forty-year collection of Missouri Conservationist magazine provided more than enough reading material, and she taught me canasta, which we played every night. Except for the outhouse, which frightened me (I was not only a young boy, but a small boy), Times Beach was a golden place at a golden time, the site of the happiest days of my childhood. -- Davidkevin (talk) 09:40, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Is this whole anecdote to support the notion that the homes in Times Beach were in fact not "summer homes" but instead were "clubhouses"? They were definitely homes and it appears, were mostly used during the summer. I see no evidence that what appeared to be homes were actually the meetinghouse of a club. Furthermore, your anecdote seems to only support the notion that it was actually a summer home and not a club house as no club activities are mentioned and it appears that your grandmother was in fact, using it as a residence during the summer; making it a "summer home" and not a "club house". 216.36.186.2 (talk) 16:35, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

No, they were not meeting houses for clubs, which threw me as a boy when I first heard them referred to as "club houses", but that's what my Gramma Rose called her place, a clubhouse, and that's how she referred to the housing stock of Times Beach in general. Looking back, I think for her it was a term which meant frame or clapboard housing with less than full amenities and utilities, unlike her brick house in the city.

St. Louis has many local and regional terms and place-name pronunciations not shared with the rest of the country as a whole -- this may be one of them. -- Davidkevin (talk) 05:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

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No longer the largest Dioxin contamination in the USA

The recent East Palestine Ohio is easily the largest dioxin contamination event 96.253.74.92 (talk) 15:55, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Dioxins are certainly a potential by product of vinyl chloride combustion but I have not seen evidence that significant levels of dioxins were in fact detected in the analysis of soil and groundwater from that site. Cross Reference (talk) 16:27, 24 December 2023 (UTC)

I should have said 'confirmed' evidence. There have been preliminary reports but I am not sure that USEPA or Ohio EPA have confirmed them. Cross Reference (talk) 16:35, 24 December 2023 (UTC)