Talk:Tom C. Clark

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Primary disambiguation of Tom Clark[edit]

It looks like the creators of this article weren't smart enough to create a redirect from Tom Clark so here, so somebody came along a couple of years later and created an article there for some much lesser-known Canadian journalist. Gene Nygaard 05:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bot-created subpage[edit]

A temporary subpage at User:Polbot/fjc/Tom C. Clark was automatically created by a perl script, based on this article at the Biographical Directory of Federal Judges. The subpage should either be merged into this article, or moved and disambiguated. Polbot (talk) 17:39, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mafia Deal[edit]

I removed the reference to Clark's alleged deal with the Mafia, which comes with no citation of any sort. Anyone who wants to restore that particular allegation must provide a reference to a legitimate source. --Androsi (talk) 22:06, 10 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy Section and rjensen's "revisions"[edit]

When the issue was how much dirt about JFK's sex life was appropriate in the Wikipedia biographical article on assassinated U.S. president, John F. Kennedy, rjensen 's editorial standard was.:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:John_F._Kennedy/Archive_5#Affairs

The section "Image, social life and family" does not mention neither his womanizing nor his constant health problems, although both have definitely played an instrumental role in shaping JFK's life and personality. ....Similarly, his affairs with Mary Pinchot Meyer, Judith Exner or Ellen Romesch should deserve at least a sentence. Any opinion on this before I add some sentences? Alex Zivoder (talk) 20:16, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

here's where people draw the line: A high official puts his official position at risk through secret sexual activities that if discovered would likely undermine his political base and perhaps force his resignation. This covers for example the current (Paterson) and previous (Spitzer) governor or New York (Paterson solved the problem by dropping the secrecy and announcing his affairs when he took office.) Rjensen (talk) 14:47, 27 April 2009 (UTC) 

       As an encyclopedia this article fails badly. EVERY serious biographer and scholar has dealt with the topic as a major factor in understanding JFK--it is being covered up here simply for POV reasons. Rjensen (talk) 20:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

"Covered up?" This isn't Watergate. But I leave it to others to further comment and I stand by my points made as to how these subject matters should be handled as far as consideration to all who are featured herein (see examples I name above).Kierzek (talk) 20:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

How do the opinions italics above, by Rjensen, (that apparently no amount of detail about JFK's personal sexual activity was too much in JFK's wikipedia article, and in fact, despite the problem that JFK biographer Richard Reeve was the only RS for the JFK sex related smears, in that editorial discussion Rjensen asked if the JFK sex dirt was being "covered up"?) compare to the recent obliteration by Rjensen of the Tom C. Clark bio's "Controversy" section, without so much as a courtesy pre-discussion, despite the facts that the section had been displayed for many months and was extremely well referenced?

Before Rjensen's "edits" : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tom_C._Clark&diff=439882030&oldid=435554215

In 1946, fearing for his life, Chicago organized crime leader James M. Ragen contacted Clark through newspaper columnist Drew Pearson to obtain the protection of federal agents in exchange for information. A dozen FBI agents were sent to Chicago to interrogate Ragen. After checking and confirming the details of mob activity provided by Ragen, Tom Clark withdrew Ragen's FBI protection for lack of federal jurisdiction to prosecute the suspects Ragen named. Almost immediately, Ragen was seriously wounded by gunfire. Several suspects were arrested but no one was prosecuted due to the disappearance of some witnesses and the lack of cooperation of others. Ragen's condition was improving after the shooting, but he died suddenly in the hospital of mercury poisoning. Drew Pearson hinted in his syndicated column in October 1963 that Clark had told him that the FBI confirmed Ragen's accusations of Chicago mob control by leading businessmen and politicians. This was confirmed in the posthumous publication, eleven years later, of Drew Pearson's Diaries, 1949–1959[1]; Tom Clark had told Pearson that Ragen stated that Henry Crown, the Hilton Hotels chain, and Walter Annenberg controlled the mob.[2][3][1][4][5][6][7][8][9]

Despite the disturbing information about Henry Crown, et al., Drew Pearson claimed was provided to him by Clark in 1946, Justice Tom Clark appointed Crown's son, John, as one of two of his 1956 Supreme Court session law clerks.[10] In December 1963, Chief Justice Earl Warren, acting as head of the newly formed Presidential Commission investigating the death of President Kennedy, suggested that Henry Crown's attorney, Albert E. Jenner, Jr., who also, at that time employed Crown's son, John at Jenner's Chicago law firm, be appointed as a senior assistant Warren Commission counsel. Warren gave his fellow commissioners the names of two men who approved of Jenner's appointment, Tom C Clark and Dean Acheson.

After Rjensen's edits. : http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tom_C._Clark&diff=445696586&oldid=445696305

In 1946, fearing for his life, Chicago organized crime leader James M. Ragen contacted Clark through newspaper columnist Drew Pearson to obtain the protection of federal agents in exchange for information. A dozen FBI agents were sent to Chicago to interrogate Ragen. After checking and confirming the details of mob activity provided by Ragen, Tom Clark withdrew Ragen's FBI protection for lack of federal jurisdiction to prosecute the suspects Ragen named. Almost immediately, Ragen was seriously wounded by gunfire. Several suspects were arrested but no one was prosecuted due to the disappearance of some witnesses and the lack of cooperation of others. Ragen's condition was improving after the shooting, but he died suddenly in the hospital of mercury poisoning.

As Attorney General, Tom Clark was accused of impropriety in the early parole of convicted Chicago crime boss, Louis Campagna and three others.[11] Sam Nanini wrote a letter in 1947 to the federal bureau of prisons advocating parole for Campagna. Ruidoso (talk) 07:20, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This is an article about Clark and only Reliable Sources can be used. The deleted text fails that basic Wiki rule. Clark of course never controlled the FBI and was not involved when someone killed Ragen. Ragen's details were never verified (certainly not by Drew Pearson who only published reports he could verify and he never published this. The Diary entry does not mention Clark or anyone else by name so it cannot be a source about Clark.) Lots of prominent people get "accused" of all sorts of misdeeds (look at Obama today) and the Wiki rules require a reliable secondary source, which is missing here. Rjensen (talk) 07:29, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please stop your sabotage, there are 8 RS footnotes, and the material was vetted by the attorneys of Pearson's stepson's, Tyler Abell's publisher before he published the Drew Pearson Diaries. Read what is actually contained in the footnotes, [2]-[9]. It also states in several of the footnotes that the FBI checked and verified what Ragen had said. You also deleted all of this, without any attempt on your part to discuss it first.:

Justice Tom Clark appointed Crown's son, John, as one of two of his 1956 Supreme Court session law clerks.[10] In December 1963, Chief Justice Earl Warren, acting as head of the newly formed Presidential Commission investigating the death of President Kennedy, suggested that Henry Crown's attorney, Albert E. Jenner, Jr., who also, at that time employed Crown's son, John at Jenner's Chicago law firm, be appointed as a senior assistant Warren Commission counsel. Warren gave his fellow commissioners the names of two men who approved of Jenner's appointment, Tom C Clark and Dean Acheson.

My objections to your conduct and your response to my objections and my examples of your comments on the JFK talk page influence me to believe you have no consistent standards, no neutral POV to influence anyone that you edit my wikipedia articles in good faith.: Ruidoso (talk) 23:26, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

the deleted material does not talk about Tom Clark. Rjensen (talk) 01:15, 8 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b Pearson, Drew; Abell, Tyler (1974). Drew Pearson Diaries Volume I, 1949–1959. New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston. ISBN 0030014263.
  2. ^ Drew Pearson (1963-26-10). "'Songbird' Was Murdered". The Palm Beach Post. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)
  3. ^ http://dspace.wrlc.org/doc/bitstream/2041/50038/b18f07-1026zdisplay.pdf
  4. ^ Scott, Peter Dale (1996). Deep Politics and the Death of JFK pg 155. University of California Press.
  5. ^ Gentry, Curt (2001). J. Edgar Hoover: The Man and the Secrets. W. W. Norton & Company. p. 332.
  6. ^ Summers, Anthony (1993). Official and confidential: the secret life of J. Edgar Hoover. G.P. Putnam's Sons. p. Page 227.
  7. ^ http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&tbs=bks%3A1&q=high+places+%22henry+crown%22+annenberg&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=. {{cite book}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  8. ^ Evica, George Michael (1978). And we are all mortal:. University of Hartford Press. p. Page 387.
  9. ^ Item notes: nos. 51–90 –. Washington observer newsletter Issues 51–90. 1968.
  10. ^ Chris Heidenrich (August 3, 1997). "Ex-farmer, judge Crown remembered as 'wise,..." Daily Herald.
  11. ^ JAMES DOHERTY (April 11, 1947). "PAROLE PROBERS TO ASK QUIZ OF TEXAS LAWYER". The Chicago Tribune.

San Antonio[edit]

I'm Courtney And I Went To School There Ccrider1984 (talk) 00:39, 25 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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