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Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved per request. I also put a hatnote on the article, pointing to Tom Graves (American football) and Thomas Graves. GTBacchus(talk) 00:28, 25 July 2011 (UTC)


Tom Graves (politician) → Tom Graves – Primary topic. Footballer:98, Politician: 1161. Marcus Qwertyus 07:38, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

  • Support per nom, who demonstrates that the politician is the clear primary topic. My own google news archive search got similar results. Also, the dab page can be deleted and a hatnote added to the politician's article if this RM is successful, per WP:TWODABS. Jenks24 (talk) 20:20, 22 July 2011 (UTC)
  • Support: order of magnitude more traffic = WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. –CWenger (^ • @) 06:31, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Suggested updates for this article

Hello, I'm hoping to find some editors that can help me make some improvements to this article. Currently some sections are lacking in detail or WP:RS citations, or both. I also see a few areas where the wording does not conform to the cited source and / or is not encyclopedic. Before proposing my changes, I'd like to let other editors know that I have a conflict of interest as I am working as a consultant to Rep. Graves. Because of this, I won't be making any direct changes to the article. Instead I'm asking that editors review what I have prepared and assist in making the updates to the article if they approve of the changes.

I'd like to start out by with some suggested edits to the Early life, education, and business career section. There's currently just one source for this section of the article and lacks broader detail on his education, as well as clear information about his business career. Specifically, the article doesn't explain what his business entailed, whereas I have been able to find a source to clarify the type of business he ran. Also, I have found secondary sources to support all the information in the section, to replace the official biography currently used:

Early life and education
Tom Graves was born in St. Petersburg, Florida on February 3, 1970.[1] He graduated from Cass High School of Cartersville, GA, where he played linebacker and offensive guard on the school football team.[2] Graves earned his Bachelor’s of Business Administration from the University of Georgia. After college, he bought a landscaping company before working in real estate investment.[2] Graves lives in Ranger, Georgia, southeast of Dalton.[1]

References

  1. ^ a b "Tom Graves: Winner". Wall Street Journal. 2012. Retrieved 5 November 2014.
  2. ^ a b Karissa Stewart (27 April 2011). "Ranger's most unlikely politician Tom Graves reflects on his first year in Congress". Northwest Georgia News. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
Markup
Tom Graves was born in [[St. Petersburg, Florida]] on February 3, 1970.<ref name="WSJ12">{{cite news |title=Tom Graves: Winner |author= |url=http://projects.wsj.com/campaign2012/candidates/view/tom-graves--GA-H |work=Wall Street Journal |date=2012 |accessdate=5 November 2014}}</ref> He graduated from [[Cass High School]] of [[Cartersville, GA]], where he played linebacker and offensive guard on the school football team.<ref name="Ranger">{{cite news |title=Ranger’s most unlikely politician Tom Graves reflects on his first year in Congress |author=Karissa Stewart |url=http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/archive/ranger-s-most-unlikely-politician-tom-graves-reflects-on-his/article_5fee3563-f697-5e33-9392-0df3f73a3897.html?mode=story |work=Northwest Georgia News |date=27 April 2011 |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> Graves earned his [[Bachelor of Business Administration|Bachelor’s of Business Administration]] from the [[University of Georgia]]. After college, he bought a landscaping company before working in real estate investment.<ref name=Ranger/> Graves lives in [[Ranger, Georgia]], southeast of [[Dalton, Georgia|Dalton]].<ref name=WSJ12/>

For the Tenure section under U.S. House of Representatives, the current section is very short considering his four-year term to date and does not cover legislative action he has been involved in. In recent sources he is most commonly referred to as the the congressional representative who has "led the charge to defund Obamacare", however there's no mention of this involvement with defunding efforts in the existing text of the article. Considering this is what Graves has become best known for, I'd like to suggest updating the article to add in detail about this in particular. In the drafted updates below, I've added information about his involvement in various legislative issues to date. Anything from the current section has been retained but may have been reworded to better fit the source:

Tenure

Representative Graves is a pro-life politician and voted in 2011 to limit funding to Planned Parenthood.[1] Graves was endorsed by the Atlanta Tea Party in 2010.[2] He authored the Defund Obamacare Act in 2010 and reintroduced the bill in the 112th and 113th Congress.[3]

Graves co-sponsored a balanced-budget amendment in both the 112th and 113th Congresses and supported the Cut, Cap and Balance Act of 2011, which aimed to reduce federal spending and establish caps in future spending.[4] The same year, Graves introduced the HOME Act to allow Americans to make withdrawals from their retirement accounts to pay timely mortgage payments in 2011.[5] He also voted against removing US troops from Afghanistan in March 2011.[6] Graves introduced the Transportation Empowerment Act (TEA) in 2011, meant to lower the federal gas tax to 3.7 cents per gallon and transfer nearly all funding authority to U.S. states over a period of five years. [7]

Graves voted in favor of the Water Resources Reform and Development Act in 2013, which funded the Savannah Harbor Expansion Project[8] in its expansion of the Savannah Harbor shipping channel from a depth of -42 feet to -47 feet.[9] He also authored the Email Privacy Act with Representatives Kevin Yoder and Jared Polis.[10] Graves led the national movement to defund Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare") in 2013.[3]

References

  1. ^ "Inside Congress". 19 February 2011. Retrieved 11 November 2014.
  2. ^ Ralph Reed (9 June 2010). "The Year of the (Conservative) Woman". Faith and Freedom Coalition. Retrieved 5 November 2014.
  3. ^ a b Tim Alberta (5 November 2013). "The Man Behind the Campaign to Defund Obamacare". National Journal. Retrieved 11 December 2014.
  4. ^ Marin Cogan and John Bresnahan (17 October 2011). "Tom Graves: A rising house star or big headache?". Politico.com. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  5. ^ "SEN. ISAKSON, REP. GRAVES INTRODUCE THE HOME ACT TO HELP AMERICANS KEEP THEIR HOMES" (Press release). US Federal News Service. 7 October 2011. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  6. ^ "Tom Graves". On The Issues. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  7. ^ Katherine Rosario (20 February 2014). "TOM GRAVES: TEA ACT MEANS BETTER ROADS WITHOUT RAISING TAXES". Heritage Action for America. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  8. ^ "Water Resources and Reform Act". govtrack.us. 23 August 2014. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  9. ^ "Savannah Harbor Expansion Project". US Army Corps of Engineers. Retrieved 11 November 2014.
  10. ^ "Polis, Yoder Bipartisan Email Privacy Amendment Unanimously Adopted in Committee Amendment Ensures 4th Amendment Protections Cover Emails" (Press release). 18 July 2013. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
Markup

Representative Graves is a pro-life politician and voted in 2011 to limit funding to Planned Parenthood.<ref name="InsideCongress">{{cite web |url=http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/112/house/1/93 |title=Inside Congress |author= |date=19 February 2011 |work= |publisher= |accessdate=11 November 2014}}</ref> Graves was endorsed by the Atlanta Tea Party in 2010.<ref name="Reed10">{{cite news |title=The Year of the (Conservative) Woman |author=Ralph Reed |url=http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-232200734.html |work=Faith and Freedom Coalition |date=9 June 2010 |accessdate=5 November 2014}}</ref> He authored the Defund Obamacare Act in 2010 and reintroduced the bill in the 112th and 113th Congress.<ref name="Alberta13">{{cite news |title=The Man Behind the Campaign to Defund Obamacare |author=Tim Alberta |url=http://www.nationaljournal.com/daily/the-man-behind-the-campaign-to-defund-obamacare-20131105 |work=National Journal |date=5 November 2013 |accessdate=11 December 2014}}</ref>

Graves co-sponsored a [[Balanced budget amendment|balanced-budget amendment]] in both the 112th and 113th Congresses and supported the Cut, Cap, and Balance Act of 2011, which aimed to reduce federal spending and establish caps in future spending.<ref name="Cogan11">{{cite news |title=Tom Graves: A rising house star or big headache? |author=Marin Cogan and John Bresnahan |url=http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66209.html |work=Politico.com |date=17 October 2011 |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> The same year, Graves introduced the HOME Act to allow Americans to make withdrawals from their retirement accounts to pay timely mortgage payments in 2011.<ref name="Isakson11">{{cite press release |title=SEN. ISAKSON, REP. GRAVES INTRODUCE THE HOME ACT TO HELP AMERICANS KEEP THEIR HOMES |url=http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-2478281171.html |publisher=US Federal News Service |date=7 October 2011 |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> He also voted against removing US troops from Afghanistan in March 2011.<ref name="Issues">{{cite web |url=http://www.ontheissues.org/GA/Tom_Graves.htm |title=Tom Graves |author= |date= |work= |publisher=On The Issues |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> Graves introduced the Transportation Empowerment Act (TEA) in 2011, meant to lower the federal gas tax to 3.7 cents per gallon and transfer nearly all funding authority to U.S. states over a period of five years.<ref name="HeritageAction1">{{cite news |title=TOM GRAVES: TEA ACT MEANS BETTER ROADS WITHOUT RAISING TAXES |author=Katherine Rosario |url=http://heritageaction.com/2014/02/tom-graves-tea-act-means-better-roads-without-raising-taxes/ |work=Heritage Action for America |date=20 February 2014 |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref>

Graves voted in favor of the [[Water Resources Reform and Development Act of 2013|Water Resources Reform and Development Act]] in 2013, which funded the Savannah Harbor Expansion Project<ref name="Water">{{cite web |url=https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/113-2013/h560 |title=Water Resources and Reform Act |author= |date=23 August 2014 |work=govtrack.us |publisher= |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> in its expansion of the Savannah Harbor shipping channel from a depth of -42 feet to -47 feet.<ref name="USArmy">{{cite web |url=http://www.sas.usace.army.mil/Missions/CivilWorks/SavannahHarborExpansion.aspx |title=Savannah Harbor Expansion Project |author= |date= |work= |publisher=US Army Corps of Engineers |accessdate=11 November 2014}}</ref> He also authored the Email Privacy Act with Representatives [[Kevin Yoder]] and [[Jared Polis]].<ref name="Polis13">{{cite press release |title=Polis, Yoder Bipartisan Email Privacy Amendment Unanimously Adopted in Committee Amendment Ensures 4th Amendment Protections Cover Emails |url=http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-337194754.html |publisher= |date=18 July 2013 |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> Graves led the national movement to defund the [[Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act]] ("Obamacare") in 2013.<ref name=Alberta13/>

As always, I'm open to any feedback from editors and welcome your input. If these changes look good as they are, I hope someone will add them into the article. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 15:37, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Just in case anyone misses the closed template above, this has been  Done. WWB Too (Talk · COI) 16:11, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
  • @Noyster: Just to be clear, for my own edification: what sort of review process was undertaken before rewriting our section on Graves' tenure to reflect, verbatim, the wording drafted by Graves' political consultants? MastCell Talk 21:42, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
OK MastCell, I picked this up from a post at Help desk, pointing out that the requested edit had not been actioned for 4 weeks; and within the normal short timeframe at Help desk, no-one was responding there either! And this is from an editor whose conflict of interest is declared, and who has followed the recommended Requested edit procedure. It seemed to me that some response was called for. What review process, you ask? The additions were to my eye factual and not blatantly promotional or non-neutral; some references were checked to see they supported the suggested text; the edit appeared to be an improvement in terms of providing more detail and being better sourced than what was there before, both in number and quality of references. I'm no expert in US politics, and any other editor is of course welcome to make further improvements to this article; but rather than grilling those who do implement a requested edit, it might be more useful if more editors were to tackle the chronic backlog: Noyster (talk), 09:37, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Help with U.S. House of Representatives section

Hi all, I'm looking for help with a few additional updates to the U.S. House of Representatives section of this article. Plus, there was a recent change to the Tenure section, which I'd like to discuss with editors. Worth noting again, I am working as a consultant on behalf of Rep. Graves and, considering my financial COI, I won't make any direct edits to the article.

Here is a list of changes for the better my proposed update in the collapse-box below would implement:

  • The 2010 and 2012 subsections both could use some rewording for clarity. Rep. Graves won his seat through a series of primaries and special elections, and the article could be more clear about each one.
  • There current article suffers from a lack of citations to verify information, which I have addressed in my draft.
  • I'd also like to propose a rewrite of the Committee assignments and Caucus memberships sections from bullet points to prose. Per MOS:LIST, bullet points are discouraged in preference for prose.
  • Additionally, within those last two subsections there's some outdated information that can be removed, while the most up-to-date assignments and memberships can be added.

Click below to see the updated sections as I propose, followed by the markup for it:

U.S. House of Representatives
U.S. House of Representatives
Elections
2010

In May 2010, Graves won a special election to replace Republican US House Representative Nathan Deal.[1] On June 8, 2010, Graves won the run-off for the special election against former state Senator Lee Hawkins.[2] Graves then faced Hawkins two more times, in another primary election and run off before winning the November 2, 2010 general election unopposed. [3][4] Upon his election, Graves joined the House Republican Whip team,[5] which he later left in 2011.[6] In January 2013, Graves rejoined the Whip team, and is a member as of 2014.[5]

2012

Representative Graves’ home in Ranger was drawn into the newly created 14th district during the 2012 census, and as a result, he elected to run as Representative for the newly created district. [7] Graves won the November 6, 2012 election against Democratic challenger Daniel “Danny” Grant with 73 percent of the vote.[8]

Tenure

Omitted since this was previously updated.

Committee assignments

Representative Graves is a member of the United States House Committee on Appropriations. In 2014, he was selected to serve as chairman of the Subcommittee on the Legislative Branch for the 114th Congress.[9] His membership also includes the subcommittees on Defense and Financial Services and General Government.[10][11]

Caucus memberships
Representative Graves is a member of the House Congressional Chicken Caucus, the House General Aviation Caucus, the Joint Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus, the House Congressional Balanced Budget Amendment Caucus, the House Republican Study Committee and the House Congressional Diabetes Caucus.[12]

References

  1. ^ David Espo (9 June 2010). "Politics; Narrow defeats, stunning victories". Charlestown Gazette. Retrieved 5 November 2014.
  2. ^ "Georgia Election Results". State of Georgia. 8 June 2010. Retrieved 13 March 2015.
  3. ^ Danielle Kurtzleben (10 August 2010). "Graves and Hawkins Face off in Georgia Primary". US News. Retrieved 8 December 2014.
  4. ^ "Election Results". State of Georgia. 2 November 2010. Retrieved 13 March 2015.
  5. ^ a b Kristina Peterson (19 June 2014). "Kevin McCarthy Enlists Conservative Graves for Nomination Speech". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 13 March 2015.
  6. ^ Marin Cogan; John Bresnahan (17 October 2011). "Tom Graves: A rising house star or big headache?". Politico.com. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  7. ^ "US Rep. Graves advances in 14th District primary". Associated Press. 31 July 2012. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  8. ^ "Georgia Congressional District 14 election results". 7 November 2012. Retrieved 6 November 2014. {{cite web}}: line feed character in |title= at position 8 (help)
  9. ^ Susan Percy (February 2015). "Political notes: February 2015". Georgia Trend. Retrieved 13 March 2015.
  10. ^ Daniel Malloy (15 January 2015). "Tom Graves scores spot on defense spending panel". AJC. Retrieved 5 March 2015.
  11. ^ "Defense Subcommittee". Retrieved 5 March 2015.
  12. ^ "US Rep Tom Graves Profile". Voices for Vinyl Legislative Action Center. Retrieved 12 March 2015.
Markup

==U.S. House of Representatives==
===Elections===
====2010====
In May 2010, Graves won a special election to replace Republican US House Representative [[Nathan Deal]].<ref name=Espo10>{{cite news |title=Politics; Narrow defeats, stunning victories |author=David Espo |url=http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-22172447.html |work=Charlestown Gazette |date=9 June 2010 |accessdate=5 November 2014}}</ref> On June 8, 2010, Graves won the run-off for the special election against former state Senator [[Lee Hawkins]].<ref name=GeorgiaJun10>{{cite web |url=http://sos.ga.gov/elections/election_results/2010_0608/swall.htm |title=Georgia Election Results |author= |date=8 June 2010 |work= |publisher=State of Georgia |accessdate=13 March 2015}}</ref> Graves then faced Hawkins two more times, in another primary election and run off before winning the November 2, 2010 general election unopposed. <ref name=Kurtzleben10>{{cite news |title=Graves and Hawkins Face off in Georgia Primary |author=Danielle Kurtzleben |url=http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2010/08/10/graves-and-hawkins-face-off-in-georgia-primary |work=US News |date=10 August 2010 |accessdate=8 December 2014}}</ref><ref name=Georgia10>{{cite web |url=http://sos.ga.gov/elections/election_results/2010_1102/00309.htm |title=Election Results |author= |date=2 November 2010 |work= |publisher=State of Georgia |accessdate=13 March 2015}}</ref> Upon his election, Graves joined the House Republican Whip team,<ref name=Peterson14>{{cite news |title=Kevin McCarthy Enlists Conservative Graves for Nomination Speech |author=Kristina Peterson |url=http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/06/19/kevin-mccarthy-enlists-conservative-graves-for-nomination-speech/ |work=The Wall Street Journal |date=19 June 2014 |accessdate=13 March 2015}}</ref> which he later left in 2011.<ref name=Cogan11>{{cite news |title=Tom Graves: A rising house star or big headache? |author1=Marin Cogan |author2=John Bresnahan |url=http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/66209.html |work=Politico.com |date=17 October 2011 |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> In January 2013, Graves rejoined the Whip team, and is a member as of 2014.<ref name=Peterson14/>

====2012====
Representative Graves’ home in [[Ranger, Georgia|Ranger]] was drawn into the newly created 14th district during the 2012 census, and as a result, he elected to run as Representative for the newly created district. <ref name=AssociatedPress12>{{cite news |title=US Rep. Graves advances in 14th District primary |author= |url=http://timesfreepress.com/news/2012/jul/31/us-rep-graves-advances-14th-district-primary/?print |work=Associated Press |date=31 July 2012 |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> Graves won the November 6, 2012 election against Democratic challenger Daniel “Danny” Grant with 73 percent of the vote.<ref name=NBC12>{{cite web |url=http://elections.nbcnews.com/ns/politics/2012/georgia/house/14/#.VFulpfTF9LM |title=Georgia Congressional District 14 election results |author= |date=7 November 2012 |work= |publisher= |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref>

===Tenure===
Omitted since this was previously updated.

===Committee assignments===
Representative Graves is a member of the [[United States House Committee on Appropriations]]. In 2014, he was selected to serve as chairman of the [[United States House Appropriations Subcommittee on the Legislative Branch|Subcommittee on the Legislative Branch]] for the 114th Congress.<ref name=Percy15>{{cite news |title=Political notes: February 2015 |author=Susan Percy |url=http://www.georgiatrend.com/February-2015/Political-Notes-February-2015/ |work=Georgia Trend |date=February 2015 |accessdate=13 March 2015}}</ref> His membership also includes the subcommittees on Defense and Financial Services and General Government.<ref name=Malloy15>{{cite news |title=Tom Graves scores spot on defense spending panel |author=Daniel Malloy |url=http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/01/15/tom-graves-scores-spot-on-defense-spending-panel/ |work=AJC |date=15 January 2015 |accessdate=5 March 2015}}</ref><ref name=Defense>{{cite web |url=http://appropriations.house.gov/about/members/defense.htm |title=Defense Subcommittee |author= |date= |work= |publisher= |accessdate=5 March 2015}}</ref>

===Caucus memberships===

Representative Graves is a member of the [[Caucuses of the United States Congress#C|House Congressional Chicken Caucus]], the House General Aviation Caucus, the [[Caucuses of the United States Congress#C|Joint Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus]], the House Congressional Balanced Budget Amendment Caucus, the House [[Republican Study Committee]] and the House Congressional Diabetes Caucus.<ref name=VOP>{{cite web |url=http://www.voicesforvinyl.uschamberpartners.com/voter-resources/official/211906/Tom/Graves |title=US Rep Tom Graves Profile |author= |date= |work=Voices for Vinyl Legislative Action Center |publisher= |accessdate=12 March 2015}}</ref>

If this all seems reasonable, would anyone be willing to make these changes in the article? As always, I'm open to feedback from all! Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 17:05, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

 Done - Thanks so much for fully-formatted, independent, and secondary sources and attention to tone for the content. Great job!--CaroleHenson (talk) 02:33, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, Carole! I'm glad the edits were acceptable and that you were able to make them so quickly. Just an FYI, it looks like there is now a duplicate Caucus memberships subsection under U.S. House of Representatives. I'd suggest removing the unverified second, with the bullets.
Going forward, I've got some suggestions for further edits, in case you'll have time to look again. Hope you'll check in soon! Thanks again, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 01:55, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
My pleasure, WWB_Too, thanks for the heads-up on the dupe. It's  Done. If you could add another {{tl}request edit}} when you have any additional edits, that would be great! Take care!--CaroleHenson (talk) 02:25, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Help with Georgia House of Representatives section

Hello again, folks! I've got some additional edits to suggest for the article, and I'm hoping to find interested editors to take a look at them for me. To anyone new to this discussion: I'm looking to discuss changes here rather than making the edits myself due to conflict of interest reasons, as I am a paid consultant to Rep. Graves.

My proposed new version of the Georgia House of Representatives section addresses the following issues with the current section:

  • Updates information on Graves' legislative history by adding the JOBS Act of 2009
  • Re-words the last sentence under Elections to clarify that Graves ran unopposed in 2008, but against Bill Pickett in 2006. The current section says he ran unopposed both times, which wasn't the case in one of the primaries.
  • Adds a new Tenure subsection, which absorbs the existing Endorsements subsection and includes Graves' Guardian of Small Business Award

Click below to see the updated section I propose, followed by the markup:

Georgia House of Representatives
Georgia House of Representatives
Elections

Tom E. Shanahan retired as Representative to Georgia's 10th District in 2002, and Graves won as his successor with 60 percent of the vote.[1] Graves later ran, unopposed, to serve as House Representative to Georgia's 12th district in 2004.[2] He was re-elected, after two races in which he ran against primary challenger Bill Pickett in 2006[3] and unopposed in 2008.[4]

Tenure

Graves was named Legislator of the Year in 2009 by the American Legislative Exchange Council.[5] Later that year, he was awarded the Guardian of Small Business award by the National Federation of Independent Business.[6]

Committee Assignments

Graves served on the Transportation, Ways and Means committee and on the Health and Human services committee during his tenure in the Georgia House of Representatives.[7] He also served as Vice Chairman on the Motor Vehicles committee.[8]

Legislation
While serving in the Georgia House of Representatives, Graves introduced the Jobs, Opportunity and Business Success (JOBS) Act of 2009.[9]

References

  1. ^ "GA State House 010". Our Campaigns. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  2. ^ "GA State House 012". Our Campaigns. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  3. ^ "GA State House 012". Our Campaigns. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  4. ^ "GA State House 012". Our Campaigns. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  5. ^ Chris Kromm (1 May 2012). "The South's ALEC All-Stars". Facing South. Institute for Southern Studies. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  6. ^ Jacqueline Bodnar (12 November 2012). "Freedomworks Endorses Tom Graves for Republican Study Committee Chairman". States News Service. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  7. ^ "Rep. Graves gets appointment as 'Hawk' in House". Calhoun Times. 27 January 2007. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  8. ^ Ashe Schow (6 December 2011). "CONGRESSIONAL PROFILE: REP. TOM GRAVES (R-GA)". Congressional Profile. Heritage Action for America. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  9. ^ Graves, Tom (24 March 2009). "GA's JOBS Act 2009" (Interview). Interviewed by Joel Aaron. {{cite interview}}: Cite has empty unknown parameters: |callsign= and |subjectlink= (help); Unknown parameter |city= ignored (|location= suggested) (help); Unknown parameter |program= ignored (help)
Markup

==Georgia House of Representatives==
===Elections===
Tom E. Shanahan retired as Representative to Georgia's 10th District in 2002, and Graves won as his successor with 60 percent of the vote.<ref name=Ourcampaign1>{{cite web |url=http://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=49518 |title=GA State House 010 |author= |date= |work=Our Campaigns |publisher= |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> Graves later ran, unopposed, to serve as House Representative to Georgia's 12th district in 2004.<ref name=Ourcampaign2>{{cite web |url=http://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=141356 |title=GA State House 012 |author= |date= |work=Our Campaigns |publisher= |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> He was re-elected, after two races in which he ran against primary challenger Bill Pickett in 2006<ref name=Ourcampaign3>{{cite web |url=http://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=288565 |title=GA State House 012 |author= |date= |work= |publisher=Our Campaigns |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> and unopposed in 2008.<ref name=Ourcampaign4>{{cite web |url=http://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=464215 |title=GA State House 012 |author= |date= |work= |publisher=Our Campaigns |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref>

===Tenure===
Graves was named Legislator of the Year in 2009 by the [[American Legislative Exchange Council]].<ref name=SouthernStudies>{{cite web |url=http://www.southernstudies.org/2012/05/the-souths-alec-all-stars.html |title=The South's ALEC All-Stars |author=Chris Kromm |date=1 May 2012 |work=Facing South |publisher=Institute for Southern Studies |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> Later that year, he was awarded the Guardian of Small Business award by the [[National Federation of Independent Business]].<ref name=Bodnar12>{{cite news |title=Freedomworks Endorses Tom Graves for Republican Study Committee Chairman |author=Jacqueline Bodnar |url=http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-308233037.html |work=States News Service |date=12 November 2012 |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref>

===Committee assignments===
Graves served on the Transportation, Ways and Means committee and on the Health and Human services committee during his tenure in the Georgia House of Representatives.<ref name=Calhoun07>{{cite news |title=Rep. Graves gets appointment as 'Hawk' in House |author= |url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=375&dat=20070127&id=KAQvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UjkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2906,3008249 |work=Calhoun Times |date=27 January 2007 |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> He also served as Vice Chairman on the Motor Vehicles committee.<ref name=Schow11>{{cite web |url=http://heritageaction.com/2011/12/congressional-profile-rep-tom-graves-r-ga/ |title=CONGRESSIONAL PROFILE: REP. TOM GRAVES (R-GA) |author=Ashe Schow |date=6 December 2011 |work=Congressional Profile |publisher=Heritage Action for America |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref>

===Legislation===

While serving in the Georgia House of Representatives, Graves introduced the Jobs, Opportunity and Business Success (JOBS) Act of 2009.<ref name=Aaron09>{{cite interview |last=Graves |first=Tom |subjectlink= |interviewer=Joel Aaron |title=GA's JOBS Act 2009 |url=http://townhall.com/talkradio/joelaaron/401179 |callsign= |city=Atlanta, GA |date=24 March 2009 |program=Morning in Atlanta |accessdate=}}</ref>

I'm hoping to find interested editors who are willing to review my suggestions and, if it all looks acceptable, make the proposed changes in the live article. While I drafted up these proposed changes to the article, Tom Graves' team did provide input and review my work, but I have aimed throughout the process to keep these suggested updates to the article objective and neutral. As always, I am happy to receive feedback and discuss these further with anyone. Thanks, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 21:03, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Hi again, just dropping a note here to see if anyone is able to help with these updates. Pinging CaroleHenson, Noyster and MastCell, as you have all reviewed or commented on my previous requests and may be able to assist. Let me know if you have any questions or feedback. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 12:27, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
@WWB Too:It looks as if you are doing your best to follow Wikipedia's procedures on conflict-of-interest editing, and a response is due to you. However, my response to one of your previous requested edits was questioned by a Wikipedia administrator, as you will see a little way up this page (see also this). Consequently, I leave this new request to editors with more knowledge of the topic area. Hope it will be dealt with before long. Sorry: Noyster (talk), 13:14, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Hi Noyster, I understand your reluctance, though I welcome scrutiny of my work, and only wish more editors were available to vet proposals of this sort. I also think these new suggestions are pretty straightforward, not requiring any special knowledge, in case you'll reconsider. If no one else stops by in the next few days, however, I'll start looking again for new editors to review. Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 18:43, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello WWB_Too: I've implemented some of your suggested edits, namely under the Elections and Committee Assignments sections. I have a few questions on the rest of your suggested edits: the tenure section seems a bit promotional to me with the two awards listed. Is there something else we could put in there to balance it out? For the Jobs, Opportunity and Business Success (JOBS) Act of 2009, to show its particular notability, I think we need a better source than a Townhall interview. Perhaps a newspaper article? I'm also curious about the last long paragraph of the article. The material looks out of date, with the last sentence reading "Due to unpaid property taxes going back to 2009, the city may have to seize the property and spend over $100,000 to secure and eventually demolish it." That was last updated in 2011. Do you have any updates on how the story ended? Champaign Supernova (talk) 04:25, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
Champaign Supernova, thanks so much for following this up, and for your feedback as well. Regarding Tenure, since it is meant to replace Endorsements, this explains why it features these awards. But you're right, this section would benefit from more information. I'll see what I can do here. I'll also look for another citation for the JOBS Act.
As to the long final section—yep, I'll have a suggestion for that section next. As you point out, it's outdated, and I think it's also probably more detailed than is really necessary for a small business dispute of some years back. If you'd be willing to look at that once it's ready, I'd appreciate it. Meantime, thanks again, I'll be back soon. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 20:12, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

@Champaign Supernova: Hi again, following your suggestions, I'm back with an update on the Tenure subsection and JOBS Act citation, plus a few other small changes.

As for additional information in Tenure, I'm afraid he didn't receive a lot of news coverage at the time—however, I did find a couple of stories along the same lines as the JOBS Act: favoring tax cuts and tax credits. So I've folded the JOBS Act mention into this subsection and, as you suggested, found better sources to support that detail. What do you think?

(Just in case anyone reading this is worried about the survival of information in the Endorsements section that Tenure intends to replace: the ALEC award will stay here in the Georgia House Tenure section, while the Tea Party endorsement (which was actually in 2010, not 2009) is already mentioned in the U.S House Tenure section.)

Full new version with these changes below:

Georgia House of Representatives
Georgia House of Representatives
Elections

Tom E. Shanahan retired as Representative to Georgia's 10th District in 2002, and Graves won as his successor with 60 percent of the vote.[1] Graves later ran, unopposed, to serve as House Representative to Georgia's 12th district in 2004.[2] He was twice re-elected, facing primary challenger Bill Pickett in 2006[3] and unopposed in 2008.[4]

Tenure

As a member of the Georgia House, Graves supported legislation to provide tax cuts and tax credits,[5][6] including introducing the Jobs, Opportunity and Business Success (JOBS) Act of 2009.[7][8]

Graves was named Legislator of the Year in 2009 by the American Legislative Exchange Council.[9] Later that year, he was awarded the Guardian of Small Business award by the National Federation of Independent Business.[10]

Committee assignments
Graves served on the Transportation, Ways and Means committee, on the Health and Human Services committee,[11] and as Vice Chairman on the Motor Vehicles committee.[12]

References

  1. ^ "GA State House 010". Our Campaigns. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  2. ^ "GA State House 012". Our Campaigns. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  3. ^ "GA State House 012". Our Campaigns. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  4. ^ "GA State House 012". Our Campaigns. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  5. ^ "Georgia's political leaders react to SOTU". Atlanta Business Chronicle. 25 January 2010. Retrieved 6 May 2015.
  6. ^ Urvaksh Karkaria (8 February 2010). "Tax credits sought for startups, jobs". Atlanta Business Chronicle. Retrieved 6 May 2015.
  7. ^ "Graves to announce JOBS Act today". The Calhoun Times. 27 January 2010. Retrieved 4 May 2015.
  8. ^ Ashley Speagle (24 January 2010). "Lawmakers to look at boosting jobs". The Times Free Press. Retrieved 4 May 2015.
  9. ^ Chris Kromm (1 May 2012). "The South's ALEC All-Stars". Facing South. Institute for Southern Studies. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  10. ^ Jacqueline Bodnar (12 November 2012). "Freedomworks Endorses Tom Graves for Republican Study Committee Chairman". States News Service. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  11. ^ "Rep. Graves gets appointment as 'Hawk' in House". Calhoun Times. 27 January 2007. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  12. ^ Ashe Schow (6 December 2011). "CONGRESSIONAL PROFILE: REP. TOM GRAVES (R-GA)". Congressional Profile. Heritage Action for America. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
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==Georgia House of Representatives==
===Elections===
Tom E. Shanahan retired as Representative to Georgia's 10th District in 2002, and Graves won as his successor with 60 percent of the vote.<ref name=Ourcampaign1>{{cite web |url=http://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=49518 |title=GA State House 010 |author= |date= |work=Our Campaigns |publisher= |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> Graves later ran, unopposed, to serve as House Representative to Georgia's 12th district in 2004.<ref name=Ourcampaign2>{{cite web |url=http://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=141356 |title=GA State House 012 |author= |date= |work=Our Campaigns |publisher= |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> He was twice re-elected, facing primary challenger Bill Pickett in 2006<ref name=Ourcampaign3>{{cite web |url=http://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=288565 |title=GA State House 012 |author= |date= |work= |publisher=Our Campaigns |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> and unopposed in 2008.<ref name=Ourcampaign4>{{cite web |url=http://www.ourcampaigns.com/RaceDetail.html?RaceID=464215 |title=GA State House 012 |author= |date= |work= |publisher=Our Campaigns |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref>

===Tenure===
As a member of the Georgia House, Graves supported legislation to provide tax cuts and tax credits,<ref name=BizJournal10>{{cite news |title=Georgia's political leaders react to SOTU |author= |url=http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2010/01/25/daily63.html?page=all |work=Atlanta Business Chronicle |date=25 January 2010 |accessdate=6 May 2015}}</ref><ref name=Karkaria10>{{cite news |title=Tax credits sought for startups, jobs |author=Urvaksh Karkaria |url=http://www.bizjournals.com/atlanta/stories/2010/02/08/story5.html?page=all |work=Atlanta Business Chronicle |date=8 February 2010 |accessdate=6 May 2015}}</ref> including introducing the Jobs, Opportunity and Business Success (JOBS) Act of 2009.<ref name=CTimes10>{{cite news |title=Graves to announce JOBS Act today |author= |url=http://www.northwestgeorgianews.com/calhoun_times/news/graves-to-announce-jobs-act-today/article_d31dc354-8474-5685-b618-313f6c1c5607.html |work=The Calhoun Times |date=27 January 2010 |accessdate=4 May 2015}}</ref><ref name=Speagle10>{{cite news |title=Lawmakers to look at boosting jobs |author=Ashley Speagle |url=http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/news/story/2010/jan/24/lawmakers-to-look-at-boosting-jobs/2967/ |work=The Times Free Press |date=24 January 2010 |accessdate=4 May 2015}}</ref>

Graves was named Legislator of the Year in 2009 by the [[American Legislative Exchange Council]].<ref name=SouthernStudies>{{cite web |url=http://www.southernstudies.org/2012/05/the-souths-alec-all-stars.html |title=The South's ALEC All-Stars |author=Chris Kromm |date=1 May 2012 |work=Facing South |publisher=Institute for Southern Studies |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> Later that year, he was awarded the Guardian of Small Business award by the [[National Federation of Independent Business]].<ref name=Bodnar12>{{cite news |title=Freedomworks Endorses Tom Graves for Republican Study Committee Chairman |author=Jacqueline Bodnar |url=http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-308233037.html |work=States News Service |date=12 November 2012 |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref>

===Committee assignments===

Graves served on the Transportation, Ways and Means committee, on the Health and Human Services committee,<ref name=Calhoun07>{{cite news |title=Rep. Graves gets appointment as 'Hawk' in House |author= |url=http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=375&dat=20070127&id=KAQvAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UjkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=2906,3008249 |work=Calhoun Times |date=27 January 2007 |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> and as Vice Chairman on the Motor Vehicles committee.<ref name=Schow11>{{cite web |url=http://heritageaction.com/2011/12/congressional-profile-rep-tom-graves-r-ga/ |title=CONGRESSIONAL PROFILE: REP. TOM GRAVES (R-GA) |author=Ashe Schow |date=6 December 2011 |work=Congressional Profile |publisher=Heritage Action for America |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref>

I'm hoping you might take another look at this with me, so let me know if these changes are good. Of course, I'm open any questions about the proposed section, so if others have any feedback I'd be interested to hear that too. Thanks, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 22:36, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Ah, I hadn't noticed that the Tenure section was meant to replace the Endorsements section. The content makes sense to me then, as the awards were already on the page. I think I have implemented your recommendations. You're right, I've been offline a lot lately, busy with travel, but I still try to check Wikipedia about once per week. Champaign Supernova (talk) 17:18, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Makes sense, @Champaign: your update to the main article and minor changes look great to me. I've got a couple more requests to post soon for this article; I'll look for others to review, since I don't want this to fall on any one person, but if you're willing to help again, also great! WWB Too (Talk · COI) 17:59, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Proposal for Calhoun motel dispute

Hello, all. Champaign Supernova asked above about the the Calhoun motel paragraph in Personal life, so I've now looked into it and have come up with a suggested revision. As CS points out, the paragraph is rather long and includes a lot of tedious detail, while not clearly explaining what happened. Also, it currently ends on a forward-looking statement from 2011, leaving the sense that more must have occurred since.

As it turns out, for Rep. Graves, the issue of the bank loan dispute was resolved in August 2011 when both parties dismissed their claims and no further action was taken. At that point, he no longer held ownership in the motel, which was later sold in foreclosure in September 2012. That said, the reason it is in the news is not because it's inherently interesting, but what it may or may not say about his leadership, and that's easily sourced. This article doesn't need to describe it in great detail nor does it need to take a position on it to effectively describe the stakes. Here's what I'd suggest:

Proposed text
In 2007, Graves and former Georgia Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers took out a loan from Bartow County Bank to purchase and renovate a motel in Calhoun.[1] In 2011, it was reported that Bartow County Bank had sued Rogers and Graves for defaulting on the loan and they had countersued the bank in response. Both parties dismissed their claims before going to hearing.[1] Graves received criticism in the media on the grounds that the outcome of this business venture appeared to undermine his stated commitment to fiscal responsibility.[2]

References

  1. ^ a b Aaron Gould Sheinin (11 August 2011). "Attorney for Graves, Rogers: Bank is at Fault". Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  2. ^ "In failed hotel venture, Ga. Republicans appear to cut loan nearly in half". Atlanta Journal-Constitution. 27 March 2012. Retrieved 18 May 2015.
Markup
In 2007, Graves and former Georgia Senate Majority Leader [[Chip Rogers]] took out a loan from Bartow County Bank to purchase and renovate a motel in Calhoun.<ref name=Sheinin11>{{cite news |title=Attorney for Graves, Rogers: Bank is at Fault |author=Aaron Gould Sheinin |url=http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/attorney-for-graves-rogers-bank-is-at-fault/nQKbg/ |work=Atlanta Journal-Constitution |date=11 August 2011 |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref> In 2011, it was reported that Bartow County Bank had sued Rogers and Graves for defaulting on the loan and they had countersued the bank in response. Both parties dismissed their claims before going to hearing.<ref name=Sheinin11/> Graves received criticism in the media on the grounds that the outcome of this business venture appeared to undermine his stated commitment to fiscal responsibility.<ref name=AJC12>{{cite news |title=In failed hotel venture, Ga. Republicans appear to cut loan nearly in half |author= |url=http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/in-failed-hotel-venture-ga-republicans-appear-to-c/nQSYD/ |work=Atlanta Journal-Constitution |date=27 March 2012 |accessdate=18 May 2015}}</ref>

Again, a quick note: I won't make any edits to the article myself, due to my financial conflict of interest, but would like to discuss this information with impartial editors here. Let me know what you think, and thanks again, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 18:26, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, there's too much detail in the current version but your proposed wording is almost a whitewash (presumably not intentional). Could you propose something in the middle? Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 15:21, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
I think the proposed text is on the right track, and is definitely better than what's currently in the article. I don't view it as a whitewash, either--it clearly states that Graves was criticized and why. Champaign Supernova (talk) 18:59, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, both, for the comments. Since I'd seen Short Brigade Harvester Boris's comments this morning, I started working on a revised version, presented below. This is a tricky one to balance exactly right, in terms of relating everything accurately without ending up giving an exhaustive explanation of events. In my version above, I'd hoped to avoid the overkill by keeping it to a short summary, but I understand if you think it went a little too far. Below, I've offered a new proposal that adds back more of the details from the current version, including the claim by the bank that the default contributed to its collapse:
Proposed wording re: motel v2
In 2007, Graves and former Georgia Senate Majority Leader Chip Rogers took out a loan from Bartow County Bank to purchase and renovate a motel in Calhoun. In 2011, it was reported that Bartow County Bank had sued Rogers and Graves for defaulting on their $2.2 million bank loan. They countersued the bank in response.[1][2] In August 2011, both parties dismissed their claims before going to hearing, settling the dispute out of court, and no details of the settlement were disclosed.[2][3] Following the settlement, the former chairman for Bartow County Bank said that the default on Graves and Rogers' loan had "contributed significantly" to the bank's financial collapse earlier that year.[4] Graves received criticism in the media on the grounds that the outcome of this business venture appeared to undermine his stated commitment to fiscal responsibility.[5]

References

  1. ^ Aaron Gould Sheinin (11 August 2011). "Attorney for Graves, Rogers: Bank is at Fault". Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Retrieved 6 November 2014.
  2. ^ a b Jeremy Redmon; Aaron Gould Sheinin (August 11, 2011). "Attorneys for Graves, Rogers, bank refuse to disclose settlement details". The Atlanta Journal-Constitution. Retrieved October 6, 2011.
  3. ^ Rachel Goff (August 12, 2011). "UPDATE: Lawsuit against Graves dismissed". The Calhoun Times. Retrieved October 7, 2011.
  4. ^ "Former bank chair: Tich loan complications contributed to bank collapse". Calhoun Times. August 31, 2011. Retrieved October 6, 2011.
  5. ^ "In failed hotel venture, Ga. Republicans appear to cut loan nearly in half". Atlanta Journal-Constitution. 27 March 2012. Retrieved 18 May 2015.
Markup
In 2007, Graves and former Georgia Senate Majority Leader [[Chip Rogers]] took out a loan from Bartow County Bank to purchase and renovate a motel in Calhoun. In 2011, it was reported that Bartow County Bank had sued Rogers and Graves for defaulting on their $2.2 million bank loan. They countersued the bank in response.<ref name=Sheinin11>{{cite news |title=Attorney for Graves, Rogers: Bank is at Fault |author=Aaron Gould Sheinin |url=http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/attorney-for-graves-rogers-bank-is-at-fault/nQKbg/ |work=Atlanta Journal-Constitution |date=11 August 2011 |accessdate=6 November 2014}}</ref><ref name=Redmon11>{{cite news|title=Attorneys for Graves, Rogers, bank refuse to disclose settlement details|url=http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-politics-elections/attorneys-for-graves-rogers-1097719.html|accessdate=October 6, 2011|newspaper=The Atlanta Journal-Constitution|date=August 11, 2011|author=Jeremy Redmon|author2=Aaron Gould Sheinin}}</ref> In August 2011, both parties dismissed their claims before going to hearing, settling the dispute out of court, and no details of the settlement were disclosed.<ref name=Redmon11/><ref>{{cite news|title=UPDATE: Lawsuit against Graves dismissed|url=http://www.calhountimes.com/view/full_story/15037019/article-UPDATE--Lawsuit-against-Graves-dismissed-?|accessdate=October 7, 2011|newspaper=The Calhoun Times|date=August 12, 2011|author=Rachel Goff}}</ref> Following the settlement, the former chairman for Bartow County Bank said that the default on Graves and Rogers' loan had "contributed significantly" to the bank's financial collapse earlier that year.<ref>{{cite news|title=Former bank chair: Tich loan complications contributed to bank collapse|url=http://www.calhountimes.com/view/full_story/15255696/article-Former-bank-chair--Tich-loan--complications-contributed-to-bank-collapse?|accessdate=October 6, 2011|newspaper=Calhoun Times|date=August 31, 2011}}</ref> Graves received criticism in the media on the grounds that the outcome of this business venture appeared to undermine his stated commitment to fiscal responsibility.<ref name=AJC12>{{cite news |title=In failed hotel venture, Ga. Republicans appear to cut loan nearly in half |author= |url=http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/in-failed-hotel-venture-ga-republicans-appear-to-c/nQSYD/ |work=Atlanta Journal-Constitution |date=27 March 2012 |accessdate=18 May 2015}}</ref>
Let me know if you feel this works better. Champaign Supernova, if you're OK with the previous version, what do you think of this one? Hopefully between these two, a consensus can be found. And once we have it, would one of you mind adding it into the article in place of the current wording? WWB Too (Talk · COI) 19:41, 11 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the re-write, looks good to me. I made the changes to the article. Champaign Supernova (talk) 17:57, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
Terrific, thanks so much! And I've marked the request as closed. Thanks again, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 16:23, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Proposal on Graves' abortion stance

Hi again, everyone! I have just one final change I'd like to propose to the article, regarding Rep. Graves' stance on abortion. Currently the article reads, "He has stated that he opposes abortion 'without exception', including when the mother's life is at stake." Although the statement comes from a good source, it's not quite true. I have another source which clarifies that, in 2013, Graves voted for a bill which allows legal abortions "after 20 weeks post-fertilization if the mother's life is endangered, or in cases of rape and incest reported prior to the abortion to appropriate authorities". In light of this additional information, I'd like to propose replacing the first paragraph of this subsection with the following:

U.S. House Tenure
Representative Graves is a pro-life politician and voted in 2011 to limit funding to Planned Parenthood.[1] He has stated that he opposes abortion "without exception", including when the mother's life is at stake.[2] However, in 2013, Graves voted in support of a bill which allowed abortions after 20 weeks post-fertilization if a mother's life is endangered, or if conception occurred through rape or incest.[3]

References

  1. ^ "Inside Congress". 19 February 2011. Retrieved 11 November 2014.
  2. ^ http://www.nationaljournal.com/almanac/member/1899?print=true
  3. ^ Jessica Rodgers (18 June 2013). "U.S. House Passes Bill to Protect Unborn in Sixth Month and Later; National Right to Life Commends Seven Georgia Lawmakers". Christian Newswire. Retrieved 18 June 2015.
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Representative Graves is a [[pro-life]] politician and voted in 2011 to limit funding to [[Planned Parenthood]].<ref name="InsideCongress">{{cite web |url=http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/112/house/1/93 |title=Inside Congress |author= |date=19 February 2011 |work= |publisher= |accessdate=11 November 2014}}</ref> He has stated that he opposes abortion "without exception", including when the mother's life is at stake.<ref>http://www.nationaljournal.com/almanac/member/1899?print=true</ref> However, in 2013, Graves voted in support of a bill which allowed abortions after 20 weeks post-fertilization if a mother's life is endangered, or if conception occurred through rape or incest.<ref name=Rodgers13>{{cite news |title= U.S. House Passes Bill to Protect Unborn in Sixth Month and Later; National Right to Life Commends Seven Georgia Lawmakers |author=Jessica Rodgers |url=http://www.christiannewswire.com/news/8865172295.html |work=Christian Newswire |date=18 June 2013 |accessdate=18 June 2015}}

Would anyone be interested in taking a look at this new language and letting me know if it's acceptable? In the interests of clarity at the risk of repetition, I won't be making this edit myself, due to my financial COI. I really appreciate the help. Thanks, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 12:38, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

This source is a login to the site: [1] Please provide an accessible URL - Cwobeel (talk)
Thanks for following this up, Cwobeel. Interesting about the Almanac of American Politics (National Journal) link you ask about, and which I see you've now removed to replace with a [citation needed] tag. If memory serves, my Graves contact didn't ask to remove it, just to add more context—which you've done, and thanks for doing so. Meanwhile, I didn't think I could challenge it based on the respectability of the source, so I didn't seek to change it. However, given available other facts, the claim seems obviously incorrect, or at least outdated. I also can't find the specific claim elsewhere, whereas this On The Issues roundup of his voting record suggests he has voted for pro-life bills that did include, for example, "exceptions for pregnancies resulting from rape or incest; or life-endangering maternal condition". Perhaps the best thing is simply to remove the statement. WWB Too (Talk · COI) 19:33, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Compromise is fundamental to politics. Thus, voting for bills that include exceptions does not repudiate his statement that he opposes abortion "without exception." We should include both and let the reader decide. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:08, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Yes, I accept that compromise is fundamental to politics. But without any other clear source, and given the requirements of BLP, isn't it more sensible to remove? If someone can find a source that has Rep. Graves making an emphatic statement that he opposes any exception, I will let the point go, but given other available evidence, it seems more likely to be erroneous. And so I think BLP is the policy to follow here. WWB Too (Talk · COI) 04:22, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

 Done - Cwobeel (talk) 14:38, 8 July 2015 (UTC) Sorry, but this is textbook WP:OR. You're using one fact to conclude that a particular sourced statement must be incorrect. I am reverting. We are now at the "R" in WP:BRD. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 00:18, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

If we don't have an available source, then the content fails Wikipedia:Verifiability and should be removed. Champaign Supernova (talk) 01:36, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
"Requires login" doesn't equate to "not available." See WP:V, which states "Do not reject sources just because they are hard or costly to access." I have accessed the site through my institution's subscription and have verified that the language remains in Graves' profile. Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:35, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
But the edit you made [2] didn't have a source, accessible or not. It had a "citation needed" tag. I'm familiar with WP:V, but it requires a source. What site have you accessed through your institution's subscription? Add it to the content instead of a "citation needed" tag. Champaign Supernova (talk) 15:56, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

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