Talk:Tomoe Gozen

Who the hell is Yoshinaka?

The first reference in the article does not explain who this is. Bad writing. Fix it.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 10:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Relationship with Yoshinaka

In the Heike Monogatari she is just a retainer (!) and in the Gempei Seisuki she rides to Yoshinaka's wife (!) and tells her about Yoshinaka's death. Stop claiming that she was his wife this isn't fanfiction. Yoshinaka had two wives: Fuyu-hime who he married in Kyoto and Imai Kanehira's daughter.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.179.58.225 (talk) 14:20, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

There is no prove in the Heike Monogatari that Tomoe was in any relationship with Yoshinaka other than being an attendant. This man was married to Fuyuhime in Kyoto and Tomoe married Wada Yoshimori after she was fired by Yoshinaka thus she actually married and had a relationship with Yoshinaka's enemy since Wada was Yoritomo's retainer.

By the way Yoshinaka had two other female servants beside Tomoe: Yamabuki Gozen and Aoi Gozen.

Thus she wasn't special to him.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.51.78.49 (talk) 17:22, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

The sentence which explains that Tomoe was a "concubine of Minamoto no Yoshinaka" is verified by an explicit citation, e.g.,

• Nussbaum, Louis Frédéric et al. (2005). "Tomoe Gozen" in Japan Encyclopedia, p. 984., p. 984, at Google Books

Moreover, there are other sources which confirm the facts presented in our article:

• Bryant, Anthony J. (1991). Early Samurai: 200-1500 AD, p. 19., p. 19, at Google Books (in English)
• Dalanon, Catherine. (2007). Comment Capter L'energie Des Samourais? pp. 81., p. 81., at Google Books (in French)
• Patiño, Sergio Hernández.(2007). Japón: el país de la espada y la flor, p. 151., p. 151, at Google Books (in Spanish)

This is a non-issue. --Tenmei (talk) 04:07, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Another reference to Tomoe Gozen in popular culture

Tomoe is also one of the primary characters in the Shi comics.

71.93.120.216 (talk) 03:35, 15 March 2015 (UTC)ShiComicFan

References

Uh, yoo-hoo? Tale of the Heike is not an "historical account"; no evidence Tomoe was real.

If anyone involved in editing this article actually read Japanese, you could take a peek at the Japanese version of this article and see what any educated Japanese person knows, to wit, that The Tale of the Heike is an "epic," not an historical account, and there exists no evidence that the character of Tomoe Gozen actually existed.126.119.101.83 (talk) 14:27, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Whoops. I didn't realize I wasn't logged in when I wrote the above. That was me.Matt Thorn (talk) 14:37, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Which is the family name? "Gozen" or "Tomoe"?

I assume that "Tomoe" is her given name and "Gozen" her family name (because I've seen "Tomoe" as a female given name before), but it is not clear. It should be made clear in the article. Wikipedia articles about Japanese people from this time period usually use Japanese name order with the family name first. Example: Hojo Masako SpectrumDT (talk) 08:14, 11 July 2017 (UTC) I think this is more than a coincidence that other powerful woman centuries later was named Dota Gozen, where Dota was her family clan. Her son was very fascinated by the stories of Heike and was known to quote them. So yes, I agree that the name/surname of japanese people on wikipedia needs to be clarified each time, because some of them are well known by the sequence name*surname, others by surname*name. Soichiro Honda, Oda Nobunaga as an example.

Neither is her family name. Gozen is merely a honorific similar to "dono". --Pitke (talk) 18:23, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Tomoe in Sekiro

The Tomoe in Sekiro is almost certainly not Tomoe Gozen herself, as the game takes place in the Sengoku period centuries later, but rather a fictional character inspired by her and combined with the significance of Tomoe in Japanese symbolism, connecting her with water and lightning storms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.94.152.90 (talk) 04:28, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Foster brother

Is yashinaka the foster brother of Timor gozen and who is the second brother name 2601:805:C201:AF70:249C:FB1C:592C:5E97 (talk) 05:24, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Tomoe Gozen was not an Onna-musha (?)

According to some Japanese sources, she was a bugeisha, and there is a difference between the onna-musha and onna-bugeisha. The onna-musha stayed at home to protect their household and villages (and were usually samurai wives); the onna-bugeisha actually fought on the battlefield! 2600:6C5C:6C00:EFB:F043:947D:3E8D:3AC8 (talk) 16:24, 14 March 2023 (UTC)