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Census information[edit]

If the Village of Kenmore is not included in the Town of Tonawanda then the census information here is wrong. As per the Town of Tonawanda web page the information here includes the population of Kenmore.

WTF is (was, I removed it) a reference to The Buffalo Norsemen, a minor leagure hockey team from the 1970's doing on this page??? The Tonawanda Sports center (where they played) is clearly in The City of North Tonawanda, in Niagara County. I don't believe this was vandalism, just strange. Also, I agree, the population of the Village of Kenmore is included in the Town census statistics, as is the population for any village within a Township in New York State, as far as I know. -TWU —Preceding unsigned comment added by TWU (talk • contribs) 04:19, 9 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Town of Tonawanda and its census designated place are defined differently. Tonawanda (CDP) is the town minus the village. --Una Smith (talk) 17:59, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. Jafeluv (talk) 13:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tonawanda (town), New York → Town of Tonawanda — The actual, official name of this town. Moving to Town of Tonawanda, New York would be okay too. -—Una Smith (talk) 17:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong oppose Except for a specific group of large cities, all US communities are named [placename], [statename], with the type of community in parentheses before the comma if there are multiple places of that name in the same county. Read the relevant section of WP:PLACE:
The canonical form for cities in the United States is [[City, State]] (the "comma convention"). Those cities that need additional disambiguation include their county or parish (for example Elgin, Lancaster County, South Carolina and Elgin, Kershaw County, South Carolina). If more than one city, town, or census-designated place within the same county has the same name, specify the type of local government unit in parentheses before the comma (e.g., Poughkeepsie (city), New York and Poughkeepsie (town), New York, but not "Poughkeepsie, New York (city)").
There's no good reason to treat Tonawanda differently from every other community in the United States. Nyttend (talk) 18:08, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is a good reason: the name is Town of Tonawanda.[1] The town and city do not have the same name; they have different names: Town of Tonawanda and City of Tonawanda. --Una Smith (talk) 18:31, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per WP:PLACE. However, it's possible the (town) disambiguator isn't necessary. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 18:20, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to Town of Tonawanda, there is City of Tonawanda. Or, if you prefer, Town of Tonawanda, New York and City of Tonawanda, New York. What is important for both accuracy and disambiguation is the "Town of" and "City of". --Una Smith (talk) 18:29, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at https://www.nysdot.gov/regional-offices/region5/repository/City%20of%20Tonawanda%20-%20North%20Tonawanda%20%28601%20KB%29.pdf, I see that Town of Amherst is listed the same way as Town of Tonawanda. Therefore, just like Amherst, New York, this article should be at Tonawanda, New York, with the disambiguator added in parentheses. IOW, the current title. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 19:48, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In the case of Amherst, there is no corresponding city. How is Amherst relevant? --Una Smith (talk) 20:14, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose First, just about EVERY city and town does "City/Town of ----" (for example, New York City is "City of New York". The town's name is just "Tonawanda", they just write "Town of Tonawanda" to distinguish it from the city of the same name (something that is very common). The current name of the article is how this situation is usually handled. TJ Spyke
Oppose Many towns in New York are ambiguous with a city or village of the same name. Looking at Category:Towns in New York will show they are all disambiguated as Adams (town), New York. It may be worth changing this convention and moving all of them to something else; there is no reason to move one. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 23:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In many cases parenthetical disambiguation is necessary because Town of X, New York and City of X, New York are ambiguous. There are other towns and cities by the same names in the state. However, this is an exception. I want to move the articles to Town of Tonawanda and City of Tonawanda because this is a case of needless over-precision merely for the sake of consistency. There are many, many links of the form [[Tonawanda (town), New York|Town of Tonawanda, New York]], yet [[Town of Tonawanda, New York]] is equally precise, unambiguous, and easier to edit. --Una Smith (talk) 02:19, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The current name is clear and unambiguous. There have been similar discussions for other places on the East Coast in the past and consensus has been to follow the naming convention. I don't recall anyone ever using the 'town of' or 'city of' in normal conversation. So it is not likely the common name. Tonawanda is the common name and the correct way to dab is Tonawanda (whatever). I think this form would add unnecessary confusion to US place names. Vegaswikian (talk) 04:44, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Lede[edit]

Per MOS:BOLDTITLE, the other name of this town should be in the lede, in bold. Also, it would seem sensible to use the city redirect rather than the article page name in the hatnote. That makes it clear that there is a pair of Town and City. Instead of this:

Tonawanda is a ...

...I prefer this:

Tonawanda or Town of Tonawanda is a ...

...or even better this:

Town of Tonawanda (Tonawanda) is a ...

--Una Smith (talk) 15:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

No, it should not; no more than Township of the Borough of Verona should be bolded under Verona, New Jersey. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 19:39, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GM Plant[edit]

Isn't there a GM engine plant in Tonawanda and isn't it worth a mention? I'm puzzled by the different places called Tonawanda but none seem to mention the engine plant? --Rupertlt (talk) 21:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC) The Chevrolet Vega page points at this one. --Rupertlt (talk) 11:49, 13 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why the population decreases?[edit]

Population stats in the article show the 1970 population was 107,000, the 1980 figure has dropped to 91,000 and the 2010 count was way further down at 73,000. The article needs a paragraph giving the reason for this. Moriori (talk) 22:02, 25 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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