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Notable supports[edit]

I am all for the article, but I am really against listing notable supporters, I consider it list craft. Govvy (talk) 21:08, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm neither for it, nor against it, I just put it in there because that is what is given in other similar articles. It could be argued that such information is trivia, therefore unencyclopedic, although given that the article is about supporters, a list of supporters could be considered appropriate. Generally if you can find such list in RS, then it would be considered fine. The only real question for me is whether the information given is reliable - often you'd find that after a celebrity attended a match, news report would say that he or she is a fan (the most recent example being Zac Efron who attended an Arsenal game and then a Spurs one). I'm inclined to leave it in, but if you feel strongly about it, then by all means remove it, it would not bother me, although I suspect that someone sooner or later will come along and add a list again. Hzh (talk) 23:04, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note that the article is not quite complete yet, there may be more to be added, and if you feel like adding more (for example if you find some extra information in other books), or have better idea as to how to organise the article, then go ahead. There are some sections that can be considerably improved, for example in the demographics section, but such information is hard to come by because the club does not reveal much, although there are fan surveys that can give us some idea. Hzh (talk) 23:08, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hzh Can we get rid of the list please, I really don't see how it adds value, I think a better idea would be where celebrities have added something to the club. I feel there should be some specific criteria, why that person should be noted and it should be written in prose, not this trivial list. Govvy (talk) 12:05, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You are free to remove it. As I said, I am neither for it nor against it, I would not be bothered if it is deleted. I can see how people might be interested in it, celebrities as fans of football club are also commonly given in news sources (the most recent mentioned being Ben Stokes), therefore it could be argued that they are valid information. I can also see how such list can distort the article - the list in the Arsenal supporters article is frankly excessive (over 90% of the sources are on the list of supporters). My only concern would be that if you remove it, people would keep re-adding it because of they are interested in such list, and it would become a battleground. Lists of supporters appear to be given in all other supporters articles, therefore to be consistent and that you have the force of the community behind any removal of lists, perhaps you can start a discussion in Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football about removing such lists and establish some kind of style guide on supporters articles. (it would help however to mention any such discussion on the talk pages of other supporters articles). Hzh (talk) 12:37, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Archway Sheet Metal Works[edit]

I was wondering if the burning down of the metal works should be noted in hooligan bit, [1]? Govvy (talk) 10:39, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if it goes under hooliganism. There are two points to consider - one is whether the it has been confirmed to be a case of arson involving Spurs fans (suspicion is not enough I think, even if it is likely), the second is that criminal acts by fans even if confirmed are not necessarily acts of hooliganism - it might seem a fine distinction, but I see hooliganism as violent action (frequently mindless) conducted by a crowd of people, this (if confirmed to be arson by Spurs fans) may be the action of one or a few individuals with a specific aim of driving the factory out. Unless there is firm evidence, I think it is difficult to justify adding it to that section. Hzh (talk) 11:03, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, fair points, I've heard from a few people it was burnt down by the Tottenham Firm, but I haven't seen not even The Sun write about it. Govvy (talk) 11:10, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you have information about specific hooligan groups, feel free to add them to that section. I'm not sure if Yid Army is just a generic term rather than an actual group, I've heard names like N17 and Tottenham Massive, but don't know much about them. Hzh (talk) 11:56, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tottenham Massive was actually a title of rather crappy autobiography. Govvy (talk) 12:33, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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