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1911[edit]

Someone dropped a "who?" in section Treating (law)#Current offence. Searching for the mentioned phrase finds a PDF that contains the referenced statement "An MP was unseated in 1911 for giving coal to the poor and sweets to schoolchildren in celebration of his twenty-fifth year in Parliament." The cite for that is

Kingston-upon-Hull Central Division case, Morely v Seymour King (1911) 6 O'M & H 372.

Searching for - "Seymour King" 1911 unseated - finds article Seymour King which indeed mentions the event. Shenme (talk) 02:30, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Hansard entry used in the Seymour King article, the finding was of bribery, not treating. DuncanHill (talk) 09:40, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lack of worldwide view[edit]

The article's name should be renamed to specify that this article is specifically about UK law. Or, we'd have to include a worldwide view. MX (✉ • ✎) 14:34, 2 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal[edit]

I propose merging this article and Treating back into Treating (law). I think the newly created Treating article is just a barebones WP:DUPLICATE of the original (that was moved to "Treating in the UK" without discussion. Henceforth, I propose that Treating be merged into Treating in the United Kingdom and the merged article be moved back to Treating (law). The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 13:59, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Treating in the United Kingdom and Treating in Canada both satisfy GNG and are independently notable from Treating generally throughout the world. (Many countries in the former British Empire have this, including Australia and other countries not yet listed). I do not think that Treating (law) is a good page name for Treating. I think the criminal offence and political practice is the primary topic. I think the social history of the political practice may be difficult to distinguish from the law of treating, and there are sources for the social history. I am aware that treating is not always illegal now and was not originally illegal: it seems to have existed long before the Treating Act of 1695/1696, the Treating Resolution of 2 April 1677 and the Bill of 1669 (see Rogers on Elections). I doubt that a single article on the law of treating is viable, just as you would not create an article on Theft (law) instead of Theft. If you want to split the laws, I think you will have to do separate country articles, at least for the UK and Canada. I should point out that Treating was the original article created in 2008. It was not split from Treating (law) and therefore cannot be merged back (my emphasis) to a place from which it never came in the first place. Treating (law) (created in 2019 and now moved to Treating in the United Kingdom) was the new article, and it was a split of a national subtopic. It was never the main article or the whole topic. James500 (talk) 14:21, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The problem is that the Treating article is almost empty and a lot of it is unsourced. It makes more sense to move what little can be salvaged of that into here (after its been cited) and move this article to the primary target. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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