Talk:Troll cross

possibly fakelore, there is no indication of this predating the 1990s. There are just six google books hits, of which four are just Wikipedia mirrors. The two independent hits are

Tromura: Tromsø museums rapportserie. Kulturhistorie, 1996, Page 58
Tolvmilaskogen: om svedjefinnarna i Skandinaviens skogar, 2000, Page 143

The 1996 reference may substantiate the topic, but unfortunately there is no preview. The Nordisk familjebok has absolutely nothing. This is rather damning, because if the "trollkors" had existed in 1919, this publication would unfailingly have included it. They have 'trollkrets' (=Zauberkreis) and 'trollkvadrater', even trollkanna and all sorts of other troll things, but no trollkors. --dab (𒁳) 17:40, 6 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I couldn't find anything either. :bloodofox: (talk) 15:58, 21 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure whether it should be deleted as likely fakelore or kept as notable fakelore. You can find this item for sale at medieval fairs in Scandinavia beside more authentic items such as replicas of Thor's hammer. Consequently, it might be useful as an article on a piece of fakelore. I was tricked by it.--Berig (talk) 12:30, 25 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This is obviously a modern created myth. Troll crosses in Sweden/Norway was not shaped like this. There are no sources of this design at all, like the article says. See Swedish Wikipedia. /21-10-17 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.34.127.34 (talk) 01:29, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be kept (although probably modified) as notable fakelore. Adrian schmidt (talk) 22:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are a number of problems with this page and the myth of the Trollkors in general. The assertion that the trollkors was the invention of Swedish smith Kari Erlands is only currently supported in the article by a reference to the site AleHorn; no disrespect to AleHorn, but this is a blog post attached to a business that sells Viking Paraphernalia, including Troll Crosses, which makes their 'expertise' on the subject suspect. There are no further citations on that page explaining where the Erlands story comes from. Further searches for Erlands or her alleged invention of the Trollkors comes up with essentially zero credible sources or additional information. The reference to Folktro från förr is problematic for me personally, due to the fact that the book is not easily attainable in the country in which I reside. Maybe someone in Sweden can obtain a copy and provide a more direct citation of relevant passages? Searches for Erlands, her smithing business and/or hobby, and her relation to the Trollkors doesn't return any viable sources of information. It is for this reason I've flagged the article as disputed, as there is a clear lack of evidence for its historical context OR its creation by Erlands. GoodRavens (talk) 19:17, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As a philosophical aside and unrelated to the disputed status of the contents of this article, all superstition came into being at some point in history. Since individuals still believe in Trolls and their magic despite the fact that they yet to be empirically demonstrated, the 'when' and 'how' of the inception of the trollkors is probably of minimal importance when viewed through the lens of belief. At what point in time would the Trollkors cease to be 'fakelore' and start to be 'folklore'? What are the criteria for authenticity when it comes to folklore? GoodRavens (talk) 19:17, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Troll cross as Christian cross on doorway[edit]

It is worth noting that at the moment, the Swedish Wikipedia article linked to this one is about the placement of Christian cross symbols on doorways as an amulet, not about a distinct symbol. I'm not sure how it may relate to the present article, but wanted to mention it to future editors. Daask (talk) 22:51, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]