Talk:Trump International Hotel and Tower (New York City)/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: PCN02WPS (talk · contribs) 07:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi there, I'll be reviewing this nomination in the coming days. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 07:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that this is a fantastic article and that it is very well written - what little I found to improve on can be seen below. Placing on hold. PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 03:07, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

@PCN02WPS: Thanks for the review and detailed comments. I have addressed all the issues you brought up. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Overall

• Just an overall comment on the article - it's a minor thing, but "Gulf and Western" and "Gulf & Western" are both used throughout the article, and I think it'd be good to be consistent about this since it's the name of a corporation. I think the use of the word "and" as opposed to the ampersand is correct since that's how it's given on the company's article.
  • I have changed all the ampersands to "and". Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
• Another minor consistency issue relates to the units used - I'm sure it is determined by the template, but do you think it's a problem that units are presented as "sq ft" and "m²", rather than using "sq ft" and "sq m" or the exponential format for both? If each unit is presented currently in the way it's most commonly seen, then I have no problem leaving it.
  • This is the format commonly used by {{convert}}. I don't know why it is mixed like that. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Lead and Site

I didn't spot anything that needed changing in the lead or the first section of the article.

Design

• "It had been constructed by HRH Construction" → I think "It was constructed..." would sound a touch more natural.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
• If you have them, I think the exact years that the Johnson/Kondylis renovation took place would be a good addition in place of "mid-1990s"
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
• The footnote adds that the building is sometimes cited as being 45 stories - what is the reason for that? I can't access the cited NYT article due to a paywall.
  • The article says Nonetheless, at Trump International at 1 Central Park West, a conversion of the 45-story Gulf & Western Building into a 52-story hotel and residential building, buyers were required to sign a document stating that even though they had purchased an apartment on the 27th floor, for instance, they knew they were really buying an apartment on the 20th floor. Unfortunately, it does not explain why the original design was cited as 45 stories. With many NYC buildings, different floor counts may be given for the same building by different sources, due to different methods in counting spaces such as mezzanine floors. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
• You could specify who the current president of the Trump Organization is at the end of that paragraph - I'll leave that one up to you.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Plaza

• Since New York City Subway and 59th Street–Columbus Circle station are linked in the Site section, you probably don't need to link them again.
  • Removed. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
• "When the globe was installed in 1997, nearby office workers complained that the globe was causing too much glare." → I'd reword this to avoid redundancy (emphasis is mine).
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Facade

• Mullion is linked twice in three sentences - remove the link from the second instance.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
• I think noting that One PPG Place was also a Johnson design would be a good addition and would help relate it more.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Structural features

• "Gulf & Western Building" is repeated three times in the first paragraph, I think changing (at least) the third instance to read "This effectively turned the Gulf & Western Building building into an airfoil, which would twist in high winds" would reduce the feeling of repetitiveness.
  • I've reworded the first few sentences to remove the redundancies. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Current hotel and condos

• "New French cuisine" → link to Nouvelle cuisine
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

History

• "...the development, in 1956, of the New York Coliseum..." → sounds more natural with "in 1956" moved to the end of the sentence.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Planning/construction

• Similar to an earlier comment, "Demolition of the site had been completed in early 1966" sounds better to me using "was" instead of "had been".
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
• "...expanding to lower stories in subsequent years." → This is worded somewhat ambiguously - was the later expansion part of the initial plan, or is that just what ended up happening?
  • This was envisioned as part of the original plan. I have clarified the sentence accordingly. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Office use

• This section has the same problem as the "structural features" section, where the full name of the building is used a touch too often; I'd mix up use of the building's name and simply saying "the building" to avoid repetitiveness.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Renovation

• "Philip Johnson was hired as the conversion architect..." → I think you could get away with just Johnson's surname here as his full name is given in the previous sentence.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Opening and early years

• '...and Trump himself called the story "totally incorrect"' → "and" sounds out of place, since Trump's statement contradicts that of his spokesperson; I'd use "but" instead.
  • I clarified this, since Trump was actually contradicting the magazine article. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

21st century

• "...foreclosure proceeding against Cecchi Gori..." → Is "Cecchi Gori" his surname, or just "Gori"?
  • I think "Cecchi Gori". The Italian Wikipedia article refers to him as "Cecchi Gori", and his father was Mario Cecchi Gori. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
• "The work was to be conducted in two phases: half of the units would be renovated..." → add the bolded word
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)
• "...in which Trump was elected as U.S. president..." → I would say remove "as" at the very least; since "United States presidential election" is mentioned earlier in the sentence, you could probably remove "as U.S. president" to avoid redundancy.
  • Done. Epicgenius (talk) 15:50, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

Conclusion

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

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All of my concerns have been addressed, so I have no problem at all giving this a pass. Well done! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 17:52, 5 January 2022 (UTC)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

   Inline referencing in the article is very thorough; a random spot check of several references (8, 27, 54, 88, 98, 133, 140) looks good.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail: