Talk:Turning the light around

Sources

• The Princeton Dictionary of Buddhism:

fanzhao. ( J. henshō; K. panjo 返照‎).

In Chinese, “tracing back the radiance,” or “counter-illumination,” a description used in the Chan school for the underlying process governing a variety of different types of meditation, referring specifically to the process of introspection or “counter-illumination” that moves the mind away from its attachment to sensory objects and back toward its fundamental source, called variously the “numinous awareness”

• asraya-paravrtti
• Dogen
• more Dogen
• Terebess
• Kokyo Henkel

Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 11:04, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Why was this page moved to draft pages?

@FramHi, can you elaborate a bit on why this page was moved to a draft page? Likes Thai Food (talk) 17:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Fram,I replaced instances of "we" with "one" and "our" with "one's own". I also linked the name Dogen and the text the Platform Sutra to their respective wiki pages. So that should resolve the issues that listed. Likes Thai Food (talk) 17:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

The page was pretty poor, written from an in-universe perspective (it may have been good for people already well-versed in Buddhist scholarship, I don't know, but it was almost completely inaccessible for non-specialists and sourced to primary sources), but looks way, way better now, so thanks to everyone who converted it into this! Fram (talk) 07:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 08:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Etymology section

Hello,

It seems like the discussion about the setting sun and dying flash in the etymology section, while interesting, is something of a digression, if not irrelevant to the topic. Also, I question the claim that fanzhao comes from the Sanskrit Asrayaparavrtti. The Chinese for Asrayaparavrtti is zhuanyi 轉依. Likes Thai Food (talk) 00:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, the Gregory Wonderwheel link in Web 8 doesn't work. Likes Thai Food (talk) 00:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Guess you're right about asrayaparavrtti; we could instead add a link at the Sse also-section. Regarding the sunset and the dying light, I like the 'scenery'; it adds explanatory value, just like "true face" as alternate translation at Buddha-nature. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 07:58, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I think having a link to Asrayaparavrtti in the see also section would be fine. Regarding the dying flash and setting sun, while the scenery is nice, as far as I'm aware it's not anything used in the tradition as a metaphor for buddha-nature, unlike original face. The sun hidden behind the clouds is, but that's different. Likes Thai Food (talk) 11:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, web link 1 is used several times throughout the section in association with several phrases such as "turning the light around and shining back" and "returning the light." However, web link 1 is for "final radiance of setting sun". So these links are misplaced and should be removed. Also, the link in citation [2], "Kempton (2024)", doesn't do anything. There is no title nor page numbers given and Kempton does not appear under Sources. Likes Thai Food (talk) 16:37, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, references to awareness in the section are not appropriate, since this section is on the etymology and strict definition of the terms, whereas awareness is part of the tradition's interpretation of these terms, which seems to be already sufficiently covered under the Origins and Meaning section (see discussion of numinous awareness there). The Jeff Shore web link should not belong in the Etymology section either, I think. At any rate, it already occurs in the Usage section where Jeff Shore is mentioned. Likes Thai Food (talk) 17:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)