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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Mark-Anthony Turnage composed Twice Through the Heart after being given a video of a programme about a woman who killed her husband?

Opera?

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I noticed a slight anomaly when reading the article on Mark-Anthony Turnage; his works are grouped in various categories, operas first; two of them have articles, but the Category:Operas by Mark-Anthony Turnage lists three, Twice Through the Heart being the extra one. This work is listed on the composer's page under "Vocal". This article reads: "variously described as a dramatic scena, as a monodrama, as a song cycle or even as a 'dramatic song-cycle-cum-scena'" – not as an opera. Later, the article explains that originally there was some intent to write an opera. So: shouldn't the opera-related categories be removed from the article? Alternatively, the work should be listed under operas in the composer's article. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 13:04, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some time (years) ago, I asked WPO members whether they thought this piece was covered by the project and the view was yes it was. However I wouldn't have asked if I didn't consider it borderline. Of the above descriptions, "monodrama" in a musical context would count as calling it an opera, the archetypal example being Erwartung which I see is categorised as an opera. "Song cyle" would generally be taken to exclude opera.
Schott list it among their operas. These are the performances they list with duplicates removed
  • Orchestra of the English National Opera - Nicholas Kok Queen Elizabeth Hall - London - United Kingdom October 20th, 1997
  • ENO Orchestra - Nicholas Kok Coliseum - London - United Kingdom October 29th, 1997
  • Orchestra of Gießen Stadtsoper Stadttheater - Gießen - Germany October 31st, 1997
  • Winnipeg New Music Festival 1998 - Winnipeg Symphony Orchestra - Bramwell Tovey Winnipeg - Canada April 26th, 1998
  • New York Philharmonic Merkin Concert Hall - New York - United States of America May 14th, 1998
  • London Sinfonietta - Markus Stenz Teatro Olimpico - Rome - Italy May 17th, 1998
  • Schoenberg Ensemble - Oliver Knussen Antwerp De Singel - Antwerp - Belgium November 10th, 1998
  • Stadttheater Gießen - Herbert Gietzen Stadttheater - Gießen - Germany March 6th, 2000
  • RAM Ensemble Royal Academy of Music - London - United Kingdom March 31st, 2001
  • Jonathan Stockhammer Black Box Theatre - Oslo - Norway October 21st, 2001
  • Psappha - Tim Carrol Lowry Centre - Manchester - United Kingdom January 20th, 2002
  • Birmingham Contemporary Music Group - Alexander Briger CBSO Centre - Birmingham - United Kingdom May 7th, 2003
  • RSAMD Student Ensemble - James Lai Royal Scottish Acadamy of Music & Drama - Glasgow - United Kingdom March 24th, 2006
  • Symfonieorkest van het Koninklijk Conservatorium - Hans Leenders Philharmonie - Haarlem - Netherlands March 27th, 2006
  • Bodø Sinfonietta - Jerker Johansson Röda Sten - Göteborg - Sweden November 6th, 2006
  • Psappha - Nicholas Kok Royal Northern College of Music, Bruntwood Theatre - Manchester - United Kingdom December 1st, 2006
  • Thallein Ensemble - Nicholas Cleobury Adrian Boult Hall - Birmingham - United Kingdom December 11th, 2006
  • Ensemble Kontrapunkte - Peter Keuschnig Musikverein, Brahms-Saal - Wien - Austria November 23rd, 2009
  • Chicago Symphony Orchestra - Cliff Colnot Harris Theater - Chicago - United States of America May 8th, 2010
  • Markus Huber Theater, Großes Haus - Pforzheim - Germany May 11th, 2010
Although contemporary music groups are in the majority, there are a certain number of stage groups there, for example, those at Pforzheim who describe it as a chamber opera here
Given that, I would oppose removing the opera categories. You could consider adding a footnote to the Turnage article indicating that the work is sometimes counted as an opera, sometimes not.--Peter cohen (talk) 22:04, 9 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]