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I think Typhoon Bebinca (2024) should be moved to Typhoon Bebinca. Accordthemusician (talk) 02:54, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Typhoon Bebinca (2024) → Typhoon Bebinca – This storm is significantly bigger then the other storms with the same name, with none of them taking up this name. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:13, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i think so too. this storm has caused over $2 billion in damage, plus there were a good few people who died during bebinca Accordthemusician (talk) 13:00, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom and reply CyclonicStormYutu (talk) 14:02, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Bebinca's 2000 iteration and 2006 iteration caused 26 and 33 fatalities, respectively. As a result, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC likely does not apply to this storm. Ark Hyena (it/its) 23:56, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@ArkHyena I think they don't have an article though. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 03:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And the damage is more compared to them. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 03:48, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fatalities are not the main deciding factor whether or not the article is primary topic. SomeoneWiki04 (talk) 14:07, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Neither the 2000 nor 2006 storms have articles, and neither of them was a typhoon. So the disambiguator is unnecessary, as the proposed article title Typhoon Bebinca is unambiguous. I note 23:06, 13 February 2009 HERB talk contribs block 36 bytes +36‎ moved Typhoon Bebinca to Tropical Storm Bebinca over redirect: STS by JMA. user:HERB is currently inactive, does anyone else know what either STS or JMA means in that context?Andrewa (talk) 10:07, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think it means the storm track by the Japan Meteorological Agency. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 11:11, 11 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, thank you, that's confirmed by another reply below, see my comment there. Andrewa (talk) 20:16, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Andrewa: STS = severe tropical storm, one class below a typhoon on the Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA)'s intensity classification scale. For context: the JMA is the regional specialized meteorological center for the Northwestern Pacific Ocean as appointed by the World Meteorological Organization, and is thus the highest-priority source for tropical cyclone information within the Northwestern Pacific (for Wikipedia purposes, at least). ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 15:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you! So that supports the idea that this storm was not a typhoon according to meteorological authorities, exactly as u:HERB said. But these authorities are not the last word on article names, we go by current English usage, particularly as indicated by reliable secondary sources. So the JMA usage is relevant but not determinative for Wikipedia purposes. Andrewa (talk) 20:13, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Brunei ?

Whay is Brunei mentioned in the discussion of this typhoon ? It is no where near the track of this storm. Shanghai landfall is 3000 km from Brunei. 66.91.198.199 (talk) 14:50, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@66.91.198.199 I honestly don't know, It was sourced though. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 22:42, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Brunei

Pinging @HurricaneEdgar: and @Borgenland: Brunei is a sore topic in the article. An Ip mentioned it before, but I replied with "I honestly don't know, It was sourced though." Currently, an editor removed the Brunei content with a source by the Strait Times saying "The storm is not expected to affect Brunei". I researched storms near the timeline of Bebinca, with no storms hitting Brunei either way. I think this needs to be properly discussed. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 12:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Were there direct statements from the relevant meteorological agencies attributing it to Bebinca? Or did an editor simply attribute bad weather to the storm by WP:OR? Borgenland (talk) 12:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]