Talk:United Left (Spain)

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BetacommandBot 21:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't call United Left as a social democratic party; it's a federation of communist parties. Separation of church and state is also an important pillar of their politics. Ambil (talk) 17:38, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relationship of IU and ICV[edit]

It doesn't make sense to count IU and ICV seats separately. Soman, who reverted this to remove ICV seats from the IU total is correct that there were strained relations, however these lasted from a rupture in mid 1997 until before the 2004 election. As a result both groups, contested the 2000 election separately, at every other election, they stood as a joint list. I don't mind a footnote stating the number of IU seats that were won by ICV, but they do need to be added to the total given that most of the main reliable sources count them as part of the IU total, see [1] [2] [3] [4] and [5]. Valenciano (talk) 17:21, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Including ICV scores in the IU state-wide total is a bit like including CSU in the CDU total for Germany. They are two different organizations that share some but no all values. ICV, and its former incarnation IC, are not and never were part of IU. As stated in the edit summary, the relation between the two was very bad at one point. Notably IU and ICV sit in different groups in the European Parliament (albeit with joint candidature in the EP elections). Nowadays ICV has an alliance with EUiA, the Catalan referent of IU, but ICV is clearly the major partner of that alliance. --Soman (talk) 17:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

In the German election articles we already do count them as part of a CDU/CSU total, in the infobox here for example. All that happens is that some point, we note exactly how many seats were won by the regional referent. IU and ICV had a rupture from 1997-2003. That's fine as that affects the 2000 election and we don't include ICV seats then. At all other elections we need to reflect what reliable sources say and they all say that the ICV seats were part of a larger IU result. You may disagree with that, however you are not a reliable source. Here's a contemporary press report from the largest newspaper in Catalonia for example, which counts IC seats as part of the overall IU total. Valenciano (talk) 18:45, 27 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Communism"[edit]

Can you please explain exactly what makes IU "communist"? I could find dozens of reliable sources which simply name it "democratic socialist" and do not make any reference to "communism". Because there are 2 sources which are not even focused on Spain or this party but rather give it a passing mention that name it "communist" changes nothing. There is only one possible argument: "Because it contains the Communist Party, then communism must be part of its ideology". Anything else is looking at a 1% of sources made by right-wing agents and ignoring the 99% of sources which do not make any reference to this "communism". Zozs (talk) 18:47, 4 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Member parties[edit]

Shouldn't this page include a list of the IU's member parties? Charles Essie (talk) 21:51, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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